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Subject: Re: CCT5, was there something missing?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 14:12:14 01/20/03

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On January 20, 2003 at 15:38:00, Peter Skinner wrote:

>With the lack of commercial products participating in the CCT, does it lose some
>of the luster in winning it?
>
>Of course there are always going to be "what ifs" when all participants do not
>play. Ferret was allowed to play without kibitzing any information. What would
>have happened if Fritz joined and did the same? Would the result have been the
>same?

First, the _point_ was that the programs be operated automatically, rather
than manually.  Ferret met this point.  We discussed the kibitzing issue at
length here, but Bruce was not around and didn't notice it.  He _did_ kibitz
on the second day as he made the changes to his code to do this.

He didn't strictly follow the rules, I agree.  But the explanation was quite
reasonable and he _did_ fix it.



>
>It seems that there was allowances made for some, and not others. Why was this
>the case?

You will have to ask the commercials why they chose not to attend.  I don't
claim to be able to read minds and have no idea what they were thinking when
they made their decision, nor do I have any idea why they made the decision
to not play.



>
>I am sure if the rule had not been in place, the likes of Shredder, Fritz, and
>possibly Junior would have participated. Chess Tiger already has the ability to
>kibitz the pv from the program, so that was not Christophe's reasoning for not
>joining.

The rule was enforced.  A couple of exceptions were made for the first few
rounds due to missed communication.  Not a big deal..  At least they were
automatic interfaces, which was _the_ major change for this event.  No manual
operation allowed.




>
>I think that if a program is automated is enough to play in the next CCT. If not
>then we might have the same result.

adding kibitzing requires _one_ line of C code to a program.  IS that a big
stumbling block???

Or is it just an "excuse"???




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