Author: Don Dailey
Date: 13:35:41 09/25/98
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On September 25, 1998 at 15:44:34, Fernando Villegas wrote: >Hi Don: >Of course all the thing seems exagerated and apocaliptic the way you put it. But >that is not the wya I puted or tied to put it. I do not believe a witch hund >will begin or that there is a list of ready-to-be exulsed guys. No, no. I dont >say. either, that only Chris, Thorsten and two or three more e the only creative >people here. In fact, at least in terms of computer chess, the most creative >people here are you, Amir, Christhpe, Bob Hyatt, Ed and the resto f programmers, >professional or amateurs. Some of us have good engineering skills, but that does not neccessarily make us "creative" in some senses of the word. I honor creativity and try to be so, but I view myself more as a practical engineer sort of person, I can build and make and am methodical and persistant, but not genius. I would like to think I am capable of genius but I think we all are. But good ideas can come from anyone. In fact I particularly like to hear ideas from non-programmers (and would like to see a lot more.) Although these can often be naive, these ideas expose thought processes and are an aid to brainstorming (a kind of creative thinking I enjoy.) And do not forget that some ideas are easier to find from people who are not constantly exposed to a given field. It is possible that a breakthrough computer chess idea will come from outside the field. > And only Chris, between them, has gone. I don' t say, >either, that creative powers go toguether with insults. >Well, maybe you can ask, what, then, YOU REALLY say? >Forgive me, Don, maybe I have literary skills, BUT in my language, spanish. In >english I fight even againts elemental rules. So, probably I lack the words to >say exactly what i mean, But i will try: what I mean is thtat the creative life >of an endeavour need a necesary dosis of things that seems out of question. While your grammer and spelling is often poor, your writing and communication ability comes shinning through, you cannot hide this. > Like >very hard steel alloy needs a mix of rare, even non metalic substances, like >some chemical reactions needs some dosis of weird components, so the life of a >gropus cannot live without a dosis of insults, harsh words, wrath, personal >attacks, jesters, etc. >Yes, I know this sems madness. Nevertheles, it is so. As a sociologist and just >like a 49 years old man, i have seen and studied and searched enough about human >dynamic to know that when you try to clean them of aparently foreign elements >with respect to his formal purpose, you are likely to lose a lot more. >You know, Don? I am not a man of science and so I do not love the scientific >ideal worlds where all is rational, purposeful, clean, just to the point, etc. I >don not like worlds like that you see in Arthur Clarke novels, where all his >characters are ingenieurs thinking mathematical problemas and you don't even >know if they are black or white, passionate people or what. This site is for >computer chess, but nees to keep a real life a dosis of non chessic affairs, non >chessic discussions, non chessic insults and attacks is needed. We need a degree >of fun, jokes, to be capable of telling jokes without half a dozen people >telling you are "off topic". >Yo see now my point? is not only thorsten, wehat matter; it is the kind of site >this will be. Surely the atraction of CCC is not, for me, just to read about >techncal point of programming. This is not and should not be a kind of >speialized magazine. I xcome here to read your non chessic post like this, to >read Dgoerge Vidanovic, the comments full of irony of Enrique AND also the chess >programming stuff as such. It is diversity what I mean for creativity. It is the >base of it. And diversity mean to be tolerant enough to pay the price. >Well, I hope this will not seem tou you as something even more out of the board. I absolutely agree with you and have no argument with this. My only argument is that I don't think this has anything to do with us! You are speaking of an important concept in government that I strongly believe in, but you application to what is going on in this group is misplaced, in my humble opinion. >If it is so, no problem; I undestand that you and me are part of different >cultures, your scientific, mine humanistic. I can imagine that from your point >of view all this is just crap, literary crap, exagerated words, the kind of non >empiric stuff peoople like me thinks and talks. Well, that's right to a degree. >I only want that even a fraction of what it is truth and valuable in my words >can be useful. Lot of time ago I lost the ambition to be in the right side all >the time and entirely. >regards >Fernando We are clearly different, but that should not prevent us from communicating effectively. - Don
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