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Subject: Re: CCT5, was there something missing?

Author: Lex Loep

Date: 23:29:08 01/20/03

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On January 20, 2003 at 21:01:27, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On January 20, 2003 at 20:18:19, enrico carrisco wrote:
>
>>On January 20, 2003 at 17:12:14, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On January 20, 2003 at 15:38:00, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>>
>>>>With the lack of commercial products participating in the CCT, does it lose some
>>>>of the luster in winning it?
>>>>
>>>>Of course there are always going to be "what ifs" when all participants do not
>>>>play. Ferret was allowed to play without kibitzing any information. What would
>>>>have happened if Fritz joined and did the same? Would the result have been the
>>>>same?
>>>
>>>First, the _point_ was that the programs be operated automatically, rather
>>>than manually.  Ferret met this point.  We discussed the kibitzing issue at
>>>length here, but Bruce was not around and didn't notice it.  He _did_ kibitz
>>>on the second day as he made the changes to his code to do this.
>>>
>>>He didn't strictly follow the rules, I agree.  But the explanation was quite
>>>reasonable and he _did_ fix it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>It seems that there was allowances made for some, and not others. Why was this
>>>>the case?
>>>
>>>You will have to ask the commercials why they chose not to attend.  I don't
>>>claim to be able to read minds and have no idea what they were thinking when
>>>they made their decision, nor do I have any idea why they made the decision
>>>to not play.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I am sure if the rule had not been in place, the likes of Shredder, Fritz, and
>>>>possibly Junior would have participated. Chess Tiger already has the ability to
>>>>kibitz the pv from the program, so that was not Christophe's reasoning for not
>>>>joining.
>>>
>>>The rule was enforced.  A couple of exceptions were made for the first few
>>>rounds due to missed communication.  Not a big deal..  At least they were
>>>automatic interfaces, which was _the_ major change for this event.  No manual
>>>operation allowed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I think that if a program is automated is enough to play in the next CCT. If not
>>>>then we might have the same result.
>>>
>>>adding kibitzing requires _one_ line of C code to a program.  IS that a big
>>>stumbling block???
>>>
>>>Or is it just an "excuse"???
>>
>>Is that what you think it requires?  I've got a chunk of code to show you
>>otherwise in the case of HIARCS.  Remember, either we rig it to work through an
>>AUTO232 connection using the "Ebbi" Winboard232 adapter or write an entire
>>interface to connect to ICC.  Either way it is well past "_one_ line of C code
>>to a program" to kibitz eval...
>>
>>-elc.
>
>
>If a program can send a move to ICC, it can send a kibitz.  Now if you are
>using some piece of trash interface based on the auto232 stuff, it might be
>harder.  But that is 1980's methodology in the year 2000.
>
>For a program that uses the winboard protocol, it _is_ one line of code...
>For a program that has its own custom ICC interface (chesspartner for
>example) it would still be one line of code.  For ancient history, it could
>be anything of course...

In fact in ChessPartner its 37 lines but that includes code to prevent spamming
the opponent and to select kibitz or wisper.
Anyway its trivial.

Lex




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