Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 10:05:42 01/22/03
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On January 22, 2003 at 12:14:20, Sune Fischer wrote: >On January 22, 2003 at 11:50:37, Matthew Hull wrote: > >>On January 22, 2003 at 11:43:22, Sune Fischer wrote: >> >>>On January 22, 2003 at 11:06:48, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On January 22, 2003 at 05:12:52, Francesco Di Tolla wrote: >>>> >>>>>An important rule went unnoticed here. >>>>> >>>>>The program can use the tablebase, but the game is declared draw when the >>>>>computer hits a tblbase draw! >>>>> >>>>>Not a trivial statement: imagine Kasparov gets into a position where he is in >>>>>disadvatage, he can try to enter in an endgame he knows to be drawn even not >>>>>knowing how to play it. >>>>> >>>>>A sort of compensation for the fact Deep Junior has the TB's. >>>>> >>>>>regards >>>>>Franz >>>> >>>> >>>>That is yet another example of the stupidest rule anyone could come up with. >>> >>>Sounds reasonable to me. >>>Imagine Junior shuffling round for 49 moves in tables trying to make Kaspy make >>>a mistake, pretty lame too. >> >>In the case of obvious draws, this would not happen, so your statement does not >>apply. > >It doesn't have to be obvious, could be KRNKR. > >Anyway you never know, nothing wrong with making a rule about it. Get it down on >paper so they don't break any oral gentleman agreements. This doesn't need to be a "rule". If I were playing and reached a known drawn position, and it became obvious that my opponent knew it was drawn as well, I'd offer a draw. Crafty will do this automatically, in fact, after the draw score is seen for a few moves and the opponent doesn't make a mistake. But it doesn't take a _rule_ to make that happen. It is called "courtesy". > >>But what if the computer sees the draw, but Kasparov does not know for >>sure? In this situation, would it not be a bad rule? I think so very much. > >My opinion is the game is over when the program hits table bases, from there on >it can't lose a non-lost position. Only reason to continue would be to wait for >Kaspy to make a mistake, that is lame IMO. >I don't really see how Junior could take the credit for such a win anyway if it >was _only_ due to the tables. > >-S. > >>Matt >> >>> >>>-S.
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