Author: Sune Fischer
Date: 12:19:37 01/22/03
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On January 22, 2003 at 14:07:39, Russell Reagan wrote: >On January 22, 2003 at 12:44:02, Sune Fischer wrote: > >>No because the table bases are identical "in" all programs. >>It has nothing to do with Junior, you might as well use TSCP with tb support. > >TSCP would never live to see tablebases. Right, but that's not the point. The point is that who ever extract the moves from the tables will play like God, has nothing to do with Junior, could just as well have been TSCP. >>There is no creativity or computation when it's hitting the tables. > >So are you against hash tables too? No creativity or computation there either... Of course there is, where did you get that idea? :) A hashtable isn't just a hash table (if only that was so!:). >>To ask Garry to play against perfection is a rediculous demand, I can tell you >>now the tables are stronger, "hands down". What is there to prove by this, that >>Garry can't play perfect? You want to humiliate him because he is not God? >>Lame to the core. > >The problem is that not everyone shares your view Sune. You realize that no >human can compete with tablebases consistently. 99.9% of the rest of the world >does not. I'd like to see a computer get to use anything and everything at it's >disposal, and then have a match with the best human, and see what happens. The problem is that chessbase will label their new product as having beaten Kasparov, when in fact it had _nothing_ to do with Junior, it was due to the table bases. "Junior" was only able to draw, Kasparov lost a drawn game later on to the table bases, this is what regular people don't understand Russell. They will think Junior is software good enough to beat Kasparov, when in fact all programs using table bases would have won from the same position. >The >problem is that the general population thinks that is happening, and they are >misled. Kasparov can get a win, and then turn almost every game into a draw and >wait to hit TB's, and then all humans will rejoice together proclaiming our >superiority over computers, and it simply isn't true anymore. You know >that...but most don't. I see your point, hope you see mine? :) -S.
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