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Subject: Re: Why such a Monster Machine against Kramnik and not Bareev?

Author: Jorge Pichard

Date: 02:24:56 01/24/03

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On January 24, 2003 at 04:22:22, Jorge Pichard wrote:

>On January 24, 2003 at 03:35:15, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On January 24, 2003 at 02:41:22, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>On January 24, 2003 at 02:00:00, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 24, 2003 at 00:54:39, Nat Larson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Bareev is only playing against a pent 2.4 gig, why the overkill vs kramnick,
>>>>>hell bareev is not that much weaker.
>>>>
>>>>No reason as to the overkill vs Kramnik, but I am guessing it was a marketing
>>>>tactic for the computer supplier.
>>>>
>>>>Really I don't think Bareev is going to do much vs Hiarcs on a 2.4Ghz. I would
>>>>suspect a draw, and wins for Hiarcs.
>>>>
>>>>All the hardware in the world would not matter as Kramnik showed in the first
>>>>few games vs Fritz.
>>>>
>>>>Programs are still weak when it comes to positional chess, and Kramnik showed
>>>>that. No hardware would have been able to save Fritz in those games.
>>>
>>>
>>>That is correct as far as strategical positions are played against Deep Fritz or
>>>Deep Junior, but when it comes to tactical positions the extra Ghz can make a
>>>world of a difference. Deep Fritz would have done terribly if a mere Pentium
>>>500 Mhz was used instead of the 8x 1000 Mhz system, since Kramnik would have
>>>outplayed it tactically as well.
>>>
>>>Pichard
>>
>>I do not agree.
>>
>>I believe that the reason that Deep Fritz did not lose the match is not the
>>hardware.
>>
>>I also believe that better hardware may help to get better positional decisions.
>
>Yes, better hardware also help the program to get a better position much quicqer
>within the same time control allowed than using a slower processor, but certain
>horizon effect which some program don't have any clue of how to deal with the
>position, or blocked positions with pawns becomes useless regardless of the
>speed of the hardware. But when dealing with tactical positions the faster
>hardware is capable of solving the tactical shot much faster within the same
>time control, and this could make a world of a difference when playing against
>humans.
>

PS: The only measure of performance that really matters is the amount of time it
takes to execute a given position (tactical or strategical) within the same time
control. Certain tactical positions could be solved with a mere 50 Mhz, but
if you change the hardware using the same program it will be solved faster.
Therefore, in standard time control the faster the hardware the better.

Pichard




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