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Subject: Re: Will 818 MB Hash Tables cause heat problems for AMD 2600+ 1gig RAM

Author: Brian Katz

Date: 12:03:23 01/24/03

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On January 24, 2003 at 14:57:51, James T. Walker wrote:

>On January 24, 2003 at 14:33:28, Joshua Haglund wrote:
>
>>On January 24, 2003 at 10:09:31, Andrew R. Case wrote:
>>
>>>On January 24, 2003 at 08:59:28, James T. Walker wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 24, 2003 at 01:04:17, Brian Katz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In the following famous position, which I am sure many of you are familiar with,
>>>>>Botvinnik - Capablanca, AVRO Holland 1938 1-0...White (Botvinnik) played the
>>>>>extraordinary 30.Ba3!! and went onto win Brilliantly.
>>>>>The remaining moves were:30...Qxa3 31.Nh5+! gxh5 32.Qg5+ Kf8 33.Qxf6+ Kg8 34.e7
>>>>>Qc1+ 35.Kf2 Qc2+ 36.Kg3 Qd3+ 37.Kh4 Qe4+ 38.Kxh5 Qe2+ 39.Kh4 Qe4+ 40.g4 Qe1+
>>>>>41.Kh5 Black Resigns 1-0
>>>>>
>>>>>[D]8/p3q1kp/1p2Pnp1/3pQ3/2pP4/1nP3N1/1B4PP/6K1 w
>>>>>
>>>>>My question is will running full games with Fritz 7.........................
>>>>>Hash Tables set at 818 MB cause heat problems for an AMD Athlon 2600+  1 gig of
>>>>>DDR SDRAM.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I have beeb experimenting with Fritz 7 Hash Table settings in the infinite
>>>>>analysis mode.
>>>>>Here are some results based on various Hash Table settings. Time to find 30.Ba3
>>>>>as a winning move not just to see it in the list of alternatives. Also nodes per
>>>>>second.
>>>>>At 818 MB Hash, I hear no extra work on the harddrive,   only when first setting
>>>>>the Hash at 818 for a few seconds then no more.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The results from 16,32,64,128,256,and 512 MB Hash Tables respectively were all
>>>>>basically the same.
>>>>>
>>>>>At 16MB it took  3 seconds to notice that 30.Ba3...=(-0.16) and Black is better
>>>>>and then it drops to 0.00...Then at 1:33 it jumps to + 0.34 in favor of White.
>>>>>Then at 3 min 15 secs.it jumps to +-(3.97)  kN/s at 1116.
>>>>>
>>>>>At 256 MB it took 3 seconds to notice that 30.Ba3...=(-0.16) and Black is better
>>>>>and again drops to =(0.00)...Then at 1:05 it jumps to + 0.34 in favor of White.
>>>>>Then at 2:00 it jumps to +-(3.31) at 1064 kn/s
>>>>>
>>>>>Now at 512 MB everything is basically the same except the value at 1:02 is at
>>>>>+0.50 rather than the + 0.34 as above. Then at 1:57 it goes to +- 3.88
>>>>>
>>>>>At 768 the only real difference is that the value at the 1:00 minute mark is
>>>>>down at + 0.34
>>>>>
>>>>>At 818 I get similar results early on then at 1:03 + 0.50  which is higher than
>>>>>the reading at 768 MB setting, and 2:08 the Highest value at this early stage +-
>>>>>(3.97) kN's flucuate in the low 1000's in all of the settings listed except when
>>>>>set at the 16 MB Hash which was in the 1100's.
>>>>>
>>>>>So basically, will the higher value in the same time period such as the + 0.50
>>>>>as opposed to the + 0.34 make a difference in a game. Will the higher Hash Table
>>>>>818 MB settin, yielding an evaluation + 3.99 at 2:10 be better than the + 3.88
>>>>>at 1:58 with the lower Hash Table setting?
>>>>>
>>>>>My main concern is that I do not want to over tax my processor.
>>>>>
>>>>>If anyone has some insight on this   It would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>Brian Katz
>>>>
>>>>Hello Brian,
>>>>How do you get Fritz 7 to accept 818M hash setting.  Anything I set over 288M
>>>>seems to default to 287 as noted in the "Notation" window where the moves are
>>>>displayed.
>>>>Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>           The reason you can't get hash tables larger than 287mb is your
>>>operating system. Only windows nt, 2000, or xp can make use of larger hash
>>>tables.
>>
>>I find it's from the amount of ram... a certain percentage, say 75%
>
>I have 768 Meg of ram.  I still can only get Fritz to accept 287M.  However I
>can get Shredder in the same GUI to accept 608M.  So maybe Fritz has a problem
>with Win98 but Shredder does not.
>Jim

I am presently running the Windows Professional XP operating system with the AMD
Athlon 2600+
Brian




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