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Subject: Re: CCT5 & NoonianChess

Author: Tony Werten

Date: 00:36:54 01/25/03

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On January 25, 2003 at 01:14:27, Charles Roberson wrote:

>
>   The tournament was great fun. Tiring, but fun. I prefer the format at
>   WCCC 2002, but it would be too much for all tournaments to be like that.
>
>   The competition was great. I have lots of analysis data. The talk on ch 64
>   "compfortably numb" (pun intended). I enjoyed the IM commentary and Volker
>   performed excellently as TD. I hope to see more like these several times a
>   year. You can't get better competition without an expensive trip to Europe.
>
>   Version 3.4 was used. It is 2x faster than 3.3 and more knowledgable:
>       better king safety, mobility, ...
>   It averaged a ply deeper than the Maastricht version even at half the time
>   control.
>
>   I'll comment on some of the games as the theme seems repeatable.
>
>   Game 1: Searcher - NoonianChess 1-0
>       I tried our a virtually untested new book. Ran into a bug on move 6.
>      This caused the drop of a bishop for 2 pawns. Amazingly, Noonian played
>      quite well after this -- it used its center pawn advantage to control
>      the center and the game. Then a mistake on move 34; KxB should have been
>      the move (a free bishop and now Noonian would be up a full two pawns).
>      But seems there is a bug that caused the mistake. Analysis from CM8000
>      revealed that after 34 ... KxB, Noonian can force the win of the other
>      bishop but alas Searcher could for a draw by perpetual check or 3frp.
>
>      So, I was happy with the game and use my old tournament book for the
>      rest of the tournament.
>
>   Game 3: NoonianChess - PostModernist  0 - 1
>      Noonian gained a draw from PM in WCCC 2002. It was a great experience
>      competing against Andrew so, I was quite happy to do it again. Noonian
>      stayed in book for 10 or so moves. Noonian makes questionable bishop
>      moves on moves 17 and 18. (remember game 1 -- mistake in not taking a
>      free bishop). Noonian does not make the same mistakes when given the
>      positions but it does if the game is played to that point (a bug a bug
>      -- or is it something to dig into). After this, PostModernist performs
>      excellently in controlling the game.
>
>    Game 4: Matacz - NoonianChess 0 -1
>      Noonian won a pawn and created a passer on the A file by move 21. The
>      rest of the game centered on this one pawn. Noonian pushed the pawn and
>      Matacz spent most of the rest of the game keeping the a pawn from
>      promoting. There were times when I thought Noonian had stronger moves but
>      I'm not sure (I haven't analyzed it deeply but the stronger moves
>      involved a bishop -- hmm bishop problem sounds like a theme to me).
>      Finally, Matacz is able to capture the pawn on a2. However, Noonian has
>      too many threats on the king which causes the win of material and the
>      eventual mate of Matacz. A long game. After the first two, I kept
>      wondering when is the bug going to happen again and lose this one.
>      The great part of live games!!!!
>
>    Game 5: NoonianChess - Aristarch 1 - 0
>      The opening had me on the edge of my seat. Noonian was agressive from the
>      start with an attack on Aristarch's king side. I had some of
>      that "Australian speed skater luck": Aristarch lost its connection
>      for more than 15 minutes and forfeited the game.
>
>     Game 6: Pepito - NoonianChess  1 - 0
>      I was happy that Noonian held its own to move 35. Pepito sacs a rook for
>      the bishop and things go down hill from there. A rook for a bishop --
>      hmm is there an issue with bishops?
>
>     Game 7: NoonianChess - Amyan 0 - 1
>      NoonianChess plays well from opening to midgame. I was happy to move
>      25. Noonian has a nice position. I need to analyze this deeply to see
>      what really happened. At move 35, Noonian has a passer and seems there is
>      a lot of potential for a win. However, at move 41 Noonian gives up a rook
>      for a pawn and knight. I suspect it liked 3pawns and a knight vs a rook
>      and a pawn -- especially considering 2 of Noonians pawns are passers.
>      Amyan forces the trade of all this and the ending is a forced draw.
>      However, I didn't have egtb's and move 65 is a mistake. I loaded this
>      position into Noonian latter and it doesn't make the mistake. Another
>      bug to fix. Also, this the second game in live tournament competition
>      lost due to lack of egtb's -- the first is Goliath Lite - NoonianChess
>      Maastrict WCCC 2002.
>
>    Game 8: Czolgista  - NoonianChess 0 - 1
>      I expected to win this one as the programs met in competition on ics this
>      week. However, Czolgista froze up on move two and lost on time having
>      made only one move. Wow, that Austrailian speed skater luck was with me.
>
>   Game 9: NoonianChess - XiniX  1 - 0
>      This is my favorite game. I have not analyzed it yet but I can't wait.
>      This game had classic horizon effect issues. Both sides had chances in
>      the middle game. So, it was quite exciting. Forget the edge of my seat --
>      I was pacing during this one. At move 30, Noonian considers itself up
>      2.8 pawns. The kibitzing made this far more interesting than without it.
>      For a series of moves Noonian and Xinix agree with the scores that
>      Noonian is up 3 pawns. Then Xinix searchers a little deeper and claims
>      the score is even. A move later (move 45), Noonian thinks it is down
>      4/10 of a pawn. After several moves of 3 pawns up, now both programs
>      call it even. (so where is this bug?). Oh no -- on move 46 both programs

This game showed a new bug in XiniX :( At move 45 XiniX thinks it's winning (it
was) but then somehow at 46 got a different position on the board. At move 49
where I (manually) resigned, XiniX is actually trying to give a checkmate move,
but winboard keeps saying "illegal move" :(

IIRC XiniX did get Ra1 through, but interpreted it as a different move (ie
ponderhit on a different move)

Tony

>      claim XiniX is up 3 pawns. At move 47, both programs claim the game is
>      even again. Are these programs fickle or what? At move 48, Noonian is
>      up 2 pawns. (Yes, both programs are searching 10+ ply deep per move or
>      so claims the kibitzing). Noonian makes move 49 and kibitzes that it is
>      up a queen!!! XiniX agrees and resigns.
>
>     Again the tournament was great!!! Thanks to IM Schroer and Volker.
>     Thanks to all the participants for the games and the entertainment
>     on ch 64.
>     Also, big thanks to my wife for giving me a weekend in front of a PC.
>     Hmm -- did I just define nerd or geek?



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