Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 17:44:21 01/26/03
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On January 26, 2003 at 20:18:48, Uri Blass wrote: >On January 26, 2003 at 20:04:41, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>On January 26, 2003 at 19:44:40, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >> >>>Unlike the boring anti-computer display of Kramnik in Bahrain, or the nervous >>>play of Kasparov against Deep Blue (and its unidentified real-time seconds), >>>today Kasparov played his real chess against the world computer chess champion, >>>and proved that humans are still *far* stronger than computers. >>> >>>Some commentators didn't stop saying how weak Junior is and that Deep Blue was >>>stronger. But as GM Yasser Seirawan said: "You can't say Junior played badly. >>>This was just what Garry has been doing to humans for 18 years". >>> >>>And a quote from Kasparov: "Our only chance to dominate is to play normal >>>chess". >>> >>>Omid. >> >>Please no desinformation campaign! JUNIOR played exactly what I repeated here >>over and over: the opening without understanding. So we could also say that the >>one responsible for the books should be executed. But more important, JUNIOR >>showed a complete lack of understanding positionally. All these moves - b5, Nh5 >>- you either have a thorough analysis in your pockets or you do not play such >>moves. Also: we could well observe that the important exchange on c6 was played >>by Kasparov almost a tempo. It will take the chess lays among you programmers in >>computerchess decades to come until you are able to let your machines with such >>understanding. Worse: JUNIOR lost this game in a position that is clearly >>tactical. And that is the open bankruptcy that JUNIOR had to play a move like >>Re8. Somehow the programmers have found some spooky piece of code to confuse the >>other programs - but to confuse a super GM, well, this is simply a joke. >> >>Please do not quote people like Seirawan. He's one of those who are in the >>business, so to speak. But still he is right. Let's wait how the match will >>continue. Because - - - >> >> >>My preview of the match. >> >>Tonight Kasparov will have serious headache because he must now find a strategy >>to let the machine look like a hidden genius. I mean Kasparov is still playing >>in a commercial. Actualy he sounds as if he said well don't buy JUNIOR, it plays >>horrible chess. So on Tuesday or maybe two days later he will whisper: Folks, >>this great program is number two directly after me in the Elo ranking list. And >>the commentators will say, well, in game one the operators had a _bug_, yes a >>bug, in the personality of Junior, in between match they corrected it and wow - >>well, simply look at the game. Kasparov really had no chances. >> >>That was it in the 97 match against DB. The same propaganda in Bahrain and now >>in NY again. Take my word on it. >> >> >>But seriously: is here anyone who will have the wisdom to repeat the nonsense >>that JUNIOR or FRITZ are better than DB2???? Please, when did DB2 play such a >>nonsense like Fritz and Junior? Please data. >> >> >>Rolf Tueschen > >I believe that both of them are better than DB2. > >Kasparov could not train against DB2 to find openings that DB2 is playing bad. >Kasparov could do it against Junior and the Junior team did not know to change >the right part. > >I believe that Junior had no good choice out of book. >My Movei prefers Bb7 and not b5 but I guess that there is probably a reason why >Bb7 is also bad and Movei still did not get it. > >depth=14 -0.58 c8b7 c2d2 d6b4 d5d6 c7c8 a2a3 c6c5 d2d3 b4c3 b2c3 b7c6 d3b1 c8b7 >f3d2 > >Uri Did you read on ChessBase? Something like that: Kramnik told Kasparov that in a way no training on such a prog is better than training and then they change the whole personality! BTW Kasparov admitted that he had NO preparation against DB2. What do you think about the time management of Junior. Did you ever see such a mess? Even Matthias Wüllenweber sent a message to either ICC or this radio channel and doubted if all was ok with Junior. What is your impression. You know Junior a bit? Rolf Tueschen
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