Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 20:30:09 01/26/03
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On January 26, 2003 at 21:56:18, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >On January 26, 2003 at 21:44:20, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 26, 2003 at 20:02:05, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >> >>>On January 26, 2003 at 19:59:43, Peter McKenzie wrote: >>> >>>>On January 26, 2003 at 19:31:48, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 26, 2003 at 19:28:39, Luis Smith wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Full game >>>>>> >>>>>> 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e3 e6 5.Nf3 Nbd7 6.Qc2 Bd6 7.g4 dxc4 8.Bxc4 b6 9.e4 >>>>>>e5 10.g5 Nh5 11.Be3 0-0 12.0-0-0 Qc7 13.d5 b5 14.dxc6 bxc4 15.Nb5 Qxc6 16.Nxd6 >>>>>>Bb7 17.Qc3 Rae8 18.Nxe8 Rxe8 19.Rhe1 Qb5 20.Nd2 Rc8 21.Kb1 Nf8 22.Ka1 Ng6 23.Rc1 >>>>>>Ba6 24.b3 cxb3 25.Qxb3 Ra8 26.Qxb5 Bxb5 27.Rc7 Line >>>>> >>>>>Yes, let me again repeat the repeated: "humans are still *far* stronger than >>>>>computers". >>>> >>>>You can say it as many times as you want but that doesn't make it true. >>> >>>Kasparov's performance does. >>> >>> >> >>The statement, on its face, is false. Had it said "Kasparov is still *far* >>stronger..." it might be true. but it said "humans", and as a collective >>class, that is simply false, and provably so... > >When we compare humans and computers, we are interested in the best from each >camp. Nobody is interested in the result of a match between Omid and Genesis for >example ;-) > No.. but the logical human "class" to consider is "grandmasters" and for that class, the computers don't have a long way to go to compete equally any longer... Deep Junior is running on purely ordinary hardware. My dual xeon is about as fast, based on NPS numbers. I can name a _bunch_ of GM players that would dispute the "humans are still far better" stuff. A few players might be able to "make it look easy". But the average run-of-the-mill GM will have to do a _lot_ of work to beat a computer, not that he can't do it... But the average GM is not enough better to not have to worry and sweat. > >> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Omid.
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