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Subject: Re: Deep Junior is better even if it is slower than Deeper Blue !

Author: Sune Fischer

Date: 08:36:28 01/27/03

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On January 27, 2003 at 10:57:26, Matthew Hull wrote:

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>>When did Junior ever "remember" the table bases?
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>When did Frenzee ever remember the Ruy Lopez?  Same issue, yes?  But I don't see
>you arguing that opening books are unfair, a la Rolf Tueschen.

That doesn't mean I don't agree with Rolf :)

I just think it is possible to put a bit more of the engine personality into the
book, for instance with learning. If you win against a higher rated player,
remember this position as good, if you lose to a lower rated player don't play
this again.

However, you can see clearly from the discussions going on here that the book is
not perceived as being part of Junior, statements like: "Junior was lost out of
book" clearly distinguishes the engine "Junior" from the book _used_ by Junior.
It is as though Junior didn't lose, it was the book that lost the game on behalf
of Junior! This is also the natural way to think, it really is two very
different pieces of software.

The same applies to the egtbs, Junior wouldn't be winning, the egtbs would be.

However I must agree (I guess) that "the machine" is all of the above, so
depends on what you want from the match. I think Kasparov wanted to play Junior
and not the egtbs, so for that reason I think the rules are fine.

-S.


>:)
>Matt




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