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Subject: Re: Human chess vs CC - A neverending story

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 12:26:56 01/27/03

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On January 27, 2003 at 12:54:59, J. C. Boco wrote:

>Years ago I was rated 1350.  Today I'm not much stronger.  Anyway, I joined the
>local club and played whom I knew was strong, he was rated 1950.  I beat him,
>not without effort, but I beat him.  A second game ended in a draw in which I
>stood better.
>
>Now an interesting thing happened.  He learned that I wasn't very strong at all.
> I asked him to look at some of my games and he saw my rating on the scoresheet.
> Well, he took the next 5 games easily.
>
>I think (I know) he held back before because he was unfamiliar.  When he knew
>more about me he knew he could go for the kill.  So I think knowing something
>about your opponent makes all the difference.


You tell us a good anecdote for the difference between human chess and CC.
In human chess it's all about the mutual knowledge of the other's chess career.
Each player has a different personality. To combine you own chess talents with
the knowledge for the opponents habits to finally solve a chess position, that
is human chess.

CC is this: I have a black box and you have a black box. We both state that we
can play chess with our box against the other box. Tomorrow I come with the same
box but the content is new again. This led to the confusion in CC as if the real
name of the unknown content were the main thing in CC. At that moment people
began to test. We have many here who began their career with 10, ok, still later
than a human chess GM but still sensational. The chess as such is more what
water is for the swimmers, it's necessary but the "content" of the black boxes
has so many buttons and features so that water could become unneccessary like
the real guitars in the so called "air" as it's called in German, the artificial
Guitar play without a real guitar, where the player just fakes the mimikry of
real giants on guitar. They do Wchampionships like CC does!

Now what is CC against human chess?

Ok, that is oe team with a black box against a famous human chessplayer!
Somewhere in the box there are the 5000 played gamescores of the player.
Somewhere the games of all masters in 500 years are stored. And to omit the
influence of too much calculating the box has perfect tables of technical
endings. Like in the military nobody knows exactly what is new in the tables.
Where is the actual limit? 14 men? <gg>
Now to evacuate all possible questions about fairness, it's clear that the human
plays after the known FIDE rules. Included the forbidden usageof books or
computers. While the CC side of course has an extra permission to use computers.
Actually they already played with 512 computer, all in one black box!!!
Wait - I forgot the chess problem. Yes, the human plays normal chess. Although
he has no opponent because he doesn't know who is in the box. The games will
show it. But after each game the personalities are changed. No, not on the human
side, but in the black box! Still some more questions? Yo want to know what we
have in the box? <laughing>
No, I can't tell you. If you wantto see how it could look like, just go to Dr
Hyatt's FTP and take a look at Crafty. That is a public and free program. Ok,
right, the professionals have hundreds of smart feature more, but this is not
important. You wanted to see how such a program looked like and I gave you the
answer. I can't tell you more because this is TOP SECRET. If you want to see
more games, just come to our next exhibition show. Hiarcs will play Bareev.
Jan28.

Is it allowed that I could ask a question? What is the name of that chess you
play between blackbox and a human GM? I was told that if I would change a single
rule of that game, then it would be a completely new game. Ok, But what was the
name before?

:)

Hope this helps.

Rolf Tueschen



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