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Subject: Re: In 10 years man will not be able to defeat computers. WHAT??!

Author: Marc van Hal

Date: 17:54:20 01/27/03

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On January 27, 2003 at 19:22:19, andrew tanner wrote:

>    There seems to be no basis for this belief other than DEEP BLUE and it's
>legacy, which is a legacy of "the sky is falling" type of despair. If computers
>continue to improve tactically, then GM's will learn from them and also improve
>tactically. Man has always improved in everything he does. Accelerated rates of
>improvement for chess computers with faster hardware or knowldege doesn't
>automatically translate into wins against strong GM's. Bring it on.
>
>    -A.T.

Well i think whith more knowledge you gain a lot more then with more speed
and I mean knowledge in it's game play not in how to solve certain epd's
or how to become number1 on the SSDF list
But how to become positionaly and tacticaly stronger
The difference between a human master and Grandmaster most of the time is just
that the diference of knowledge
Same counts for Gm's and Super GM's

You also could look at the Kasparov-DJ game as the lost game of the old world
champion  Capablanca in Marshall -Capablanca Match 1909
Capablanca later on admited he would have played diferent from the game
And that it was one of his worst games he ever played
at the moment he already had a slidely worse postion he gave the coment 1 move
was even worse then an other
But the reason why he would have played diferent is again based on knowledge

Did this game make him a bad player?

The bad point is this rubbing because of results
You don't show you actualy like chess
In the ways of when lost learn from it

many human machine games could help the programmers
to improve this
But even when you won stay critical .
Chess may be a war game
But it is an acient war game
Then wars where faught out with much codes of honor and classes.

Marc



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