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Subject: Re: Deep Junior is better even if it is slower than Deeper Blue !

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 18:10:52 01/27/03

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On January 27, 2003 at 15:30:16, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On January 27, 2003 at 14:58:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On January 27, 2003 at 02:14:18, Sune Fischer wrote:
>>
>>>On January 26, 2003 at 21:56:47, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 26, 2003 at 12:05:31, Sune Fischer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 26, 2003 at 10:39:11, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On January 26, 2003 at 05:30:01, Roger D Davis wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Unless I have misunderstood the contract, this is a modified version of chess to
>>>>>>>>that defined by the standard rules, which nowhere states that because one side
>>>>>>>>knows that the game is drawn with perfect play then it shall be declared a draw
>>>>>>>>- even if the other side does not know or cannot demonstrate it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Presumably then, Kasparov could show up with his own set of tablebases, and
>>>>>>>consult them during the match? Maybe he has a particular ending he's weak in. Or
>>>>>>>do only Junior's tablebases count?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Kasparov can show up with anything he wants, "in his head".  The computer is
>>>>>>doing exactly the same.
>>>>>
>>>>>The computer doesn't have a head, so how can it be exactly the same?
>>>>>
>>>>>-S.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Mine does.  It has short-term memory, long-term memory, processing power, etc,
>>>>all in _one_ "container".  Just like _I_ do...
>>>
>>>So you _do_ think it's the same?
>>>
>>>-S.
>>
>>
>>No.  I just think that when I play a game, I play with what is in my
>>"container".  The computer
>>does the same.  There is absolutely no way to make them "the same".  One is
>>formulated from
>>silicon/copper/etc, the other from carbon materials.  The concept of "the same"
>>is
>>fundamentally flawed....
>
>For what did we develop the concepts of fairness and justice in the last 5000
>years?
>
>Rolf Tueschen

It certainly wasn't developed to equalize man and machine, in any shape, form
or fashion.

As I (and many others) have stated over and over and over...




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