Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 08:45:26 01/29/03
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On January 28, 2003 at 15:11:42, Sandro Necchi wrote: >On January 28, 2003 at 08:18:40, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On January 28, 2003 at 01:10:48, Sandro Necchi wrote: >> >>>On January 27, 2003 at 19:22:19, andrew tanner wrote: >>> >>>> There seems to be no basis for this belief other than DEEP BLUE and it's >>>>legacy, which is a legacy of "the sky is falling" type of despair. If computers >>>>continue to improve tactically, then GM's will learn from them and also improve >>>>tactically. Man has always improved in everything he does. Accelerated rates of >>>>improvement for chess computers with faster hardware or knowldege doesn't >>>>automatically translate into wins against strong GM's. Bring it on. >>>> >>>> -A.T. >>> >>>Hi, >>> >>>I do not agree. >>> >>>I think with the right approch and a fast hardware Shredder can win the match >>>also now if we were allowed to. >>> >>>Sandro Necchi >> >>Nonsense of course. Shredder is a too passive program for that. > >Well, cannot give info, but this is not true anymore... This is a contradiction. I conclude falsum out of that. I conclude out of that that it is too passive even when compared to DIEP, Fritz, Yace, Gandalf, SOS, Pharaon, to perform at equal strength against humans. Has nothing to do with how good shredder is in world champs. It sits and waits there and opponents f' themselves and Shredder profits ( junior sits too, but junior doing it in a way more active but anti positional way). Shredder is easy to beat for a titled player who doesn't blunder away material. The others are a nightmare to beat because they play more active. Crafty lacks loads of knowledge, but it is at least also playing *active*; it is in that respect also way harder to beat for a human than Shredder. >With the std. passive style I would agree with you but there are other way to >change things... >I have been studying this for years and I was with MChess the first one to beat >a GM at long time controls. 6 games (GM Igor Efimov). >It was M-Chess 6.5 running on a 200 MHz Pentium MMX > >Believe, I know what I am saying. M-chess is not comparable with Shredder. Mchess is based upon things like mobility. Shredder isn't. If it is inside shredder mobility, it will be having a minor score. Not saying that this is worse from objective viewpoint, but for sure is having less of an impact against humans. M-Chess didn't have that problem, though of course software from around 96-97 is completely outdated by todays standards. >> >>Best regards, >>Vincent > >Best regards >Sandro
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