Author: Sandi Ordinario
Date: 13:25:23 01/30/03
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On January 30, 2003 at 15:35:18, Charles Roberson wrote: > > Many times masters claim a program is lost and then the program pulls through > just in time. The masters claim that they relaxed and did not play correctly > to pull off the win. I've seen this happen many times. My program has beaten > masters, an SM and one GM occasionally. I believe that certain "lost > positions" are just beyond the current understanding of chess. > > Humans have evolved their chess skill over time to a considerable degree. > I think the human level of chess understanding is approaching a > quantum jump. Computers are pushing the GM's to reassess their chess. > > Dr. Max Euwe wrote a book published in 1966 and republished in english > in 1968. The title is "The Development of Chess Style". In this book, Euwe > argues that each human learns in the same progression has humanity has > learned. Also, he delineates the stages of development thus showing the > quantum jumps in human chess understanding. I believe that computers are > pushing humans to learn more. Too many times computers "get lucky". > > The book delineates these stages: > 1) The days of Grecko 1600?-1634? -- elaborate piece excursions. > 2) The discovery of pawns -- Philidor,1726 - 1795 > 3) Long live the combination -- Anderssen, 1818 - 1879 > 4) Combination for Strategic ends -- Morphy, 1837 - 1884 > 5) Positional play -- Steinitz, 1836 -- 1900 > 6) Technique and Routine -- The Virtuosi, 1900 - 1914. > Here he discusses Capablanca and others of the period > 7) The independent thinkers -- 1919 - 1940 > 8) New thirst for battle -- the russian school: 1945 to Present day > (1966). > > There was the time of the Karpov-Kasparov matches where most GM's would > say that the play was vastly ahead of their own. But before that, there > was Fischer. He would dissapper from chess and study. Then he would come > back stronger than before. In fact, during the world championship > qualifiers -- Fischer shut out his first match opponent. The russian > government took away the man's master title, because no GM can shut out > another thus he must not be a GM. Fischer went on to shut out his next > opponent as well. The russians gave their man his GM title back. > > So, there have been several improvements in human chess understanding over > time and there have been atleast two quantum jumps since the 1960's. I > beleive we are about to see another. This time the driver is a the > unconventional play of computers. > > Charles An excellent post, Charles...I wonder who the 1st Russian GM was who was temporarily stripped of his stripes being beaten by Fischer 6-0. I know of Taimanov but he can be the 2nd GM. I think Fischer also beat Bent Larsen (but he wasn't Russian) in the same Candidates Tournament. I think though that the Russian hegemony is about ending as evidenced by the World beating Russia in the last World vs. Russia tournament even with Kasparov, Karpov, etc on the side of the Russians. It could be an isolated instance though but I would think that the next stage to the Russians is the advent of chessplaying software on personal computers. I think the likes of Theron, Hyatt, the Israeli, French and German programmers not to forget sharewares like Ruffian, will sooner or later come up with strong programs that will defeat statistically most of the time, all sorts of grandmasters. Perhaps when that time comes, mankind will start playing Gothic Chess which was popularized to a certain extent by Lasker and Capablanca, if I am not mistaken. Fischer if I remember suggested more pieces/pawns but I don't know if it is along the lines of Gothic Chess. Sandi
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