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Subject: Re: German Kishon's relevations about DEEPJUNIOR

Author: Frank Phillips

Date: 03:12:01 02/02/03

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On February 01, 2003 at 23:41:56, Will Singleton wrote:

>On February 01, 2003 at 22:03:46, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On February 01, 2003 at 15:33:24, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On February 01, 2003 at 12:31:13, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 01, 2003 at 01:58:53, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 31, 2003 at 22:58:54, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't believe I ever said "he was lucky in game 2".  He made an incredibly
>>>>>>deep sacrifice offer that I'd bet he was sure the computer would take, and it
>>>>>>led to a position that gave black lots of chances.  But white made no mistakes
>>>>>>and the chances were all "vaporous" and the draw ensued.
>>>>>
>>>>>Only because _black_ made the mistake, turning a winning position into a drawn
>>>>>one, with Qa1 instead of f4.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Nothing to date says "f4 was winning."  Kasparov certainly said that his team
>>>>found that f4 was yet another way to draw...
>>>
>>>
>>>Can you post a link when kasparov said it.
>>>
>>>The only place that I remember that I read that claim was in a post of Amir Ban
>>>and kasparov did not say it based on the post but only a member of kasparov's
>>>team.
>>
>>He said kasparov reported that his "team" and discovered that f4 was also a
>>drawing move.  I have no reason to doubt his statement, myself...  He was
>>there...
>>
>>>
>>>Here is a link for that post and the content of the relevant part
>>>
>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?280166
>>>
>>>{After the game Kasparov blamed this move, and said f4 wins. He repeated this at
>>>the press conference minutes later. However, half an hour later a member of his
>>>team told Shay that they analyzed f4 and found it is a draw (25... f4 26.h3)}
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>OK...  that seems conclusive enough for me...
>
>Mig quote:
>"Kasparov wanted this on the record and repeated several times that he had
>outplayed Junior completely in all three games and could be leading 2.5-0.5 or
>even 3-0 if he had managed to finish off his good positions."
>
>http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt.htm
>
>Will


Sadly, no points for almost winning.

When I used to play chess (at a feeble level), I cannot remember many wins where
I would not have lost had my opponent only played different moves.  Something
they were always ready to point out.  They were probably correct too.

It is also not clear that, while dominating, GK was in fact winning.

I am hoping to see at least one game where GK is under pressure, to see how he
responds.  The implication of his comment seems to be that if he cannot win won
positions then.........

Frank



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