Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 07:22:49 02/02/03
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On February 02, 2003 at 08:48:41, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>On February 02, 2003 at 01:11:31, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On February 01, 2003 at 23:41:56, Will Singleton wrote:
>>
>>>On February 01, 2003 at 22:03:46, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 01, 2003 at 15:33:24, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 01, 2003 at 12:31:13, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On February 01, 2003 at 01:58:53, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On January 31, 2003 at 22:58:54, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I don't believe I ever said "he was lucky in game 2". He made an incredibly
>>>>>>>>deep sacrifice offer that I'd bet he was sure the computer would take, and it
>>>>>>>>led to a position that gave black lots of chances. But white made no mistakes
>>>>>>>>and the chances were all "vaporous" and the draw ensued.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Only because _black_ made the mistake, turning a winning position into a drawn
>>>>>>>one, with Qa1 instead of f4.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nothing to date says "f4 was winning." Kasparov certainly said that his team
>>>>>>found that f4 was yet another way to draw...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Can you post a link when kasparov said it.
>>>>>
>>>>>The only place that I remember that I read that claim was in a post of Amir Ban
>>>>>and kasparov did not say it based on the post but only a member of kasparov's
>>>>>team.
>>>>
>>>>He said kasparov reported that his "team" and discovered that f4 was also a
>>>>drawing move. I have no reason to doubt his statement, myself... He was
>>>>there...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Here is a link for that post and the content of the relevant part
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?280166
>>>>>
>>>>>{After the game Kasparov blamed this move, and said f4 wins. He repeated this at
>>>>>the press conference minutes later. However, half an hour later a member of his
>>>>>team told Shay that they analyzed f4 and found it is a draw (25... f4 26.h3)}
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>OK... that seems conclusive enough for me...
>>>
>>>Mig quote:
>>>"Kasparov wanted this on the record and repeated several times that he had
>>>outplayed Junior completely in all three games and could be leading 2.5-0.5 or
>>>even 3-0 if he had managed to finish off his good positions."
>>>
>>>http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt.htm
>>>
>>>Will
>>
>>
>>So? That supports the fact that f4 would not have won. Otherwise he would have
>>said "had I played f4, I would have won that game easily." If that was his
>>agenda...
>
>
>Objection! If he had said that, he would have talked too much about the show
>character of the event! And that is not his agenda for 500000$$ US just for the
>show and even more for the games.
>
>Rolf Tueschen
I see no real point to discussing "assumed motives" that can't be proven or
disproven...
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