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Subject: Re: Dj vs. GK game 4 - GREAT GAME, my Congratulation!

Author: Mark Young

Date: 19:41:47 02/03/03

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On February 03, 2003 at 13:58:07, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On February 03, 2003 at 11:28:43, J Mike wrote:
>
>>On February 03, 2003 at 10:26:41, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>All four games the computer played badly and got bad positions .. then defended
>>>>bad positions well.
>>>
>>>
>>>I guess we will have to agree to disagree.  I think that for any move by white
>>>you care to criticize (a3, h3) you can back up one or two moves and find two
>>>by black that deserve criticism...
>>>
>>>White had _all_ the winning chances in this game, black was looking at a draw
>>>at best for almost the entire game.
>>
>>This is completely incorrect. White played the position real badly (not just
>>according to me but according to GMs like Fedorowich and others) .. Black (not
>>white) had real chances of winning if he played more agressively with b5 or
>>maybe d5
>
>
>I'm not sure what _they_ were seeing.   But the GM/IM commentary on ICC favored
>white for almost all of the game.  particularly after the passed b-pawn was
>created...  Black
>wasn't _ever_ going to win that position.


GM Fedorowich had to back track some of his comments and did, saying the
computer was playing the position badly. Not the first time in this match the
computers have proven the GM's wrong.

I think humans have a way of playing, but the computers are now showing there is
more then one way to play these kinds of positions. DJ showed space and mobility
can counter a looser pawn structure in its own setup and white can gain an
advantage. Not the way a strong GM would play this, but the computer showed it
can work.

I think humans get very dogmatic in their thinking when it comes to chess, and
computer are showing that some long standing ideas are not always correct. Not
the first time this has happened in chess when it comes to dogmatic ideas, but
this time it not another human but a computer proving its points.





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