Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 10:48:01 02/05/03
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On February 05, 2003 at 12:51:26, Jorge Pichard wrote: >On February 05, 2003 at 12:27:54, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>On February 05, 2003 at 12:04:13, Jorge Pichard wrote: >> >>>Deep Junior revealed that the dividing line between tactical and strategic >>>thinking may not be a line after all, but a gray area. Kasparov knew and learned >>>from Deeper Blue back in 1997, and even today top programs are very strong and >>>can NOT be challenge tactically. I still don't understand why Kasparov is trying >>>to beat Deep Junior tactically, he needs to avoid situations in which the >>>combinational style of play would be the dominant factor. Why? Because in game >>>of brute calculation, the program (Deep Junior) would be more than a match for >>>him. If Kasparov saw 8 moves, DJ would see 16, if he saw 22, DJ saw 24, and so >>>on. What Kasparov needs to do today is play a more rambunctious, cut-and-thrust >>>style of patient maneuvering. Kasparov did learned from past experience by >>>playing Deeper Blue, that playing anti-computer is not >>>the best way to beat DJ, and by watching Kramnik vs Deep Fritz games too. What >>>it comes down to is how much programmers have learned about strategic thinking, >>>not merely how slow DJ is in comparison to Deeper Blue. We saw in game three >>>that Kasparov Opening gave him an edge but the middlegame was reached in which >>>Kasparov advantage soon disapeared; in short he had outplayed the program with >>>most openings. But it was a pyrrhic victory: It had cost him too much to get to >>>that point, for Deep Junior had defended doggedly and Kasparov was exhausted and >>>could not even find the drawing line in a losing position under time pressure. >>>Kasparov certainly revealed the weakenesses to which human players are sometimes >>>subject to such as: lapses of concentration, miscalculations, frustration, >>>oversights, exhaustion, and mainly getting into time trouble, which lead into >>>poor sportsmanship. >>> >>>Pichard >> >> >>I agree with you, if we take the metapher of the gray cataract DJ is certainly >>in a very gray region when brutal force comes to an end. But to insinuate that >>Kasparov is weaker than DJ is nonsense. Kasparov plays left-handed deeper into >>brute force line than poor DJ! You talk about 14 MOVES brute force, LOL? >>Dream on! >> >>:) >> >>Rolf Tueschen > >This 14 MOVES was used only for comparison reason, don't quote me on this. That >fact is that Kasparov is no match tactically for DJ in an open position. > >Pichard What did you think? That I would organize against you a resolution of the UN? We are just talking here. Let's have fun. Still I doubt that a given position could be better analysed by comp! My vote remains a good human. Rolf Tueschen
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