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Subject: Re: *** New Winboard version 4.3.0 *** released

Author: Chessfun

Date: 12:48:56 02/05/03

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On February 05, 2003 at 15:41:55, Andrew Williams wrote:

>On February 05, 2003 at 15:19:46, Chessfun wrote:
>
>>On February 05, 2003 at 15:16:48, Andrew Williams wrote:
>>
>>>On February 05, 2003 at 14:45:55, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 05, 2003 at 11:47:49, Steffen Jakob wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 05, 2003 at 02:08:02, Daniel Mehrmannn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Whats new:
>>>>>
>>>>>>* New analyze function: You can now analyze observe games on a InternetServer
>>>>>>  and put output to channels, games and people.
>>>>>>  (See option->ICS settings)
>>>>>
>>>>>Others have done something similar too, but didn't make it public because it
>>>>>would be a powerful tool for cheating at internet chess servers.
>>>>
>>>>Steffen, I guess, you are talking about use of computer in a non-computer
>>>>account.
>>>>I'm afraid, I can't follow: why is kibitzing a "powerful tool for cheating" ?
>>>>
>>>>Uli
>>>>
>>>
>>>As I understand it, this feature would allow an unscrupulous ICC member to do
>>>this:
>>>
>>>1. Log in using Blitzin using their normal handle
>>>2. Log in as a guest using Winboard with an attached program running
>>>3. Issue a "follow <my_handle>" command from the guest account
>>>4. Set the program attached to Winboard to analyze mode
>>>
>>>The program will "see" all the moves from the member's game and will output its
>>>analysis locally. An unscrupulous player could use the moves from the program
>>>instead of playing himself.
>>>
>>>This is similar to the functionality that Bob uses to allow crafty to write its
>>>analysis to ch211 during live transmission of big games on ICC. The difference
>>>is that Bob has not made his code generally available, because of the
>>>opportunity it offers to cheats.
>>>
>>>Andrew
>>
>>But you could do any of that now with Fritz or Tiger log in normally and have
>>another piece of software running, I don't see the difference.
>>
>>Sarah.
>
>
>I don't have those programs. Are you saying that Fritz and Tiger can "watch"
>your game over your shoulder, without being logged in as themselves? If you mean
>that you could manually transfer the moves, I believe that is less of a problem.
>Anyhow, Daniel has said that this feature will not be available to everyone
>anyway, so it's a moot point to some extent.
>
>Andrew

You can log in as a guest using Tiger and watch the game with Tiger in analysis
mode and if your logged on as a player and want to cheat then you can. Same as
far as I know with any program. Actually manually moving should make more sense
to a cheat as it would be harder on time per move, recaptures etc to track the
cheat.

Sarah.


Sarah.




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