Author: Andrew Williams
Date: 12:52:38 02/05/03
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On February 05, 2003 at 15:48:56, Chessfun wrote: >On February 05, 2003 at 15:41:55, Andrew Williams wrote: > >>On February 05, 2003 at 15:19:46, Chessfun wrote: >> >>>On February 05, 2003 at 15:16:48, Andrew Williams wrote: >>> >>>>On February 05, 2003 at 14:45:55, Ulrich Tuerke wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 05, 2003 at 11:47:49, Steffen Jakob wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On February 05, 2003 at 02:08:02, Daniel Mehrmannn wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Whats new: >>>>>> >>>>>>>* New analyze function: You can now analyze observe games on a InternetServer >>>>>>> and put output to channels, games and people. >>>>>>> (See option->ICS settings) >>>>>> >>>>>>Others have done something similar too, but didn't make it public because it >>>>>>would be a powerful tool for cheating at internet chess servers. >>>>> >>>>>Steffen, I guess, you are talking about use of computer in a non-computer >>>>>account. >>>>>I'm afraid, I can't follow: why is kibitzing a "powerful tool for cheating" ? >>>>> >>>>>Uli >>>>> >>>> >>>>As I understand it, this feature would allow an unscrupulous ICC member to do >>>>this: >>>> >>>>1. Log in using Blitzin using their normal handle >>>>2. Log in as a guest using Winboard with an attached program running >>>>3. Issue a "follow <my_handle>" command from the guest account >>>>4. Set the program attached to Winboard to analyze mode >>>> >>>>The program will "see" all the moves from the member's game and will output its >>>>analysis locally. An unscrupulous player could use the moves from the program >>>>instead of playing himself. >>>> >>>>This is similar to the functionality that Bob uses to allow crafty to write its >>>>analysis to ch211 during live transmission of big games on ICC. The difference >>>>is that Bob has not made his code generally available, because of the >>>>opportunity it offers to cheats. >>>> >>>>Andrew >>> >>>But you could do any of that now with Fritz or Tiger log in normally and have >>>another piece of software running, I don't see the difference. >>> >>>Sarah. >> >> >>I don't have those programs. Are you saying that Fritz and Tiger can "watch" >>your game over your shoulder, without being logged in as themselves? If you mean >>that you could manually transfer the moves, I believe that is less of a problem. >>Anyhow, Daniel has said that this feature will not be available to everyone >>anyway, so it's a moot point to some extent. >> >>Andrew > >You can log in as a guest using Tiger and watch the game with Tiger in analysis >mode and if your logged on as a player and want to cheat then you can. Same as >far as I know with any program. Actually manually moving should make more sense >to a cheat as it would be harder on time per move, recaptures etc to track the >cheat. > >Sarah. > I didn't know that. I guess that means that this is the first free (as in not costing anything) possibility to do that. On the other issue, manually moving makes it easier to spot cheats, in my opinion. Cheers Andrew
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