Author: Chessfun
Date: 13:02:01 02/05/03
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On February 05, 2003 at 15:52:38, Andrew Williams wrote: >On February 05, 2003 at 15:48:56, Chessfun wrote: > >>On February 05, 2003 at 15:41:55, Andrew Williams wrote: >> >>>On February 05, 2003 at 15:19:46, Chessfun wrote: >>> >>>>On February 05, 2003 at 15:16:48, Andrew Williams wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 05, 2003 at 14:45:55, Ulrich Tuerke wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On February 05, 2003 at 11:47:49, Steffen Jakob wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On February 05, 2003 at 02:08:02, Daniel Mehrmannn wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Whats new: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>* New analyze function: You can now analyze observe games on a InternetServer >>>>>>>> and put output to channels, games and people. >>>>>>>> (See option->ICS settings) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Others have done something similar too, but didn't make it public because it >>>>>>>would be a powerful tool for cheating at internet chess servers. >>>>>> >>>>>>Steffen, I guess, you are talking about use of computer in a non-computer >>>>>>account. >>>>>>I'm afraid, I can't follow: why is kibitzing a "powerful tool for cheating" ? >>>>>> >>>>>>Uli >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>As I understand it, this feature would allow an unscrupulous ICC member to do >>>>>this: >>>>> >>>>>1. Log in using Blitzin using their normal handle >>>>>2. Log in as a guest using Winboard with an attached program running >>>>>3. Issue a "follow <my_handle>" command from the guest account >>>>>4. Set the program attached to Winboard to analyze mode >>>>> >>>>>The program will "see" all the moves from the member's game and will output its >>>>>analysis locally. An unscrupulous player could use the moves from the program >>>>>instead of playing himself. >>>>> >>>>>This is similar to the functionality that Bob uses to allow crafty to write its >>>>>analysis to ch211 during live transmission of big games on ICC. The difference >>>>>is that Bob has not made his code generally available, because of the >>>>>opportunity it offers to cheats. >>>>> >>>>>Andrew >>>> >>>>But you could do any of that now with Fritz or Tiger log in normally and have >>>>another piece of software running, I don't see the difference. >>>> >>>>Sarah. >>> >>> >>>I don't have those programs. Are you saying that Fritz and Tiger can "watch" >>>your game over your shoulder, without being logged in as themselves? If you mean >>>that you could manually transfer the moves, I believe that is less of a problem. >>>Anyhow, Daniel has said that this feature will not be available to everyone >>>anyway, so it's a moot point to some extent. >>> >>>Andrew >> >>You can log in as a guest using Tiger and watch the game with Tiger in analysis >>mode and if your logged on as a player and want to cheat then you can. Same as >>far as I know with any program. Actually manually moving should make more sense >>to a cheat as it would be harder on time per move, recaptures etc to track the >>cheat. >> >>Sarah. >> > >I didn't know that. I guess that means that this is the first free (as in not >costing anything) possibility to do that. On the other issue, manually moving >makes it easier to spot cheats, in my opinion. I think you've lost me. Winboard could always be used to either watch a game with analysis while a user had another window open. Or user could simply log on with winboard and have a PC running excepting that "username" vars would indicate that. I don't see how this version does anything different from what could already be done. Sarah.
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