Author: John Merlino
Date: 18:05:09 02/05/03
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On February 05, 2003 at 21:01:52, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On February 05, 2003 at 19:31:34, Will Singleton wrote: > >>On February 05, 2003 at 19:03:27, Drexel,Michael wrote: >> >>>On February 05, 2003 at 18:40:37, Will Singleton wrote: >>> >>>>On February 05, 2003 at 18:29:14, Martin Giepmans wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 05, 2003 at 18:05:27, Will Singleton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On February 05, 2003 at 18:00:11, Martin Giepmans wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Of course my engine thinks that it is winning big time after 16 g3 >>>>>>>(instead of Bxh7+). >>>>>>>Is there any engine out there that doesn't agree? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Martin >>>>>> >>>>>>The position: >>>>>> >>>>>>[D]rnb1r1k1/pp3ppp/2p5/3p4/3P1Pnq/P1NBPK2/1PQBN1P1/R4R2 w - - 0 16 >>>>>> >>>>>>After analyzing with Ruffian, the following moves seem to be the best: >>>>>> >>>>>>16.g3 Nh2+ 17. Kf2 Ng4+ 18.Ke1 Qh3 19.Rg1 Nh2 20.Bxh7+ Kh8 21.Bd3 and white is >>>>>>much better. >>>>>> >>>>>>(btw, if 18.Kg2 Qh2+ Kf3 g6! =+) >>>>>> >>>>>>So, perhaps there's something wrong after 18.Ke1... >>>>>> >>>>>>Hmmm.. Ruffian doesn't see anything after 14 ply, still has the main line above >>>>>>at over 1 pawn for white. >>>>>> >>>>>>I can't see it. Anyone have a clue? >>>>>> >>>>>>Will >>>>> >>>>>My engine also doesn't see it (neither do I, but that's not amazing ;)) >>>>>16. g3 wins, period. >>>>>Or is there something hidden in the deep? >>>>>Or was kasparov a little bit afraid? >>>>>Or is Rolf right after all? >>>>> >>>>>Martin >>>> >>>>Actually, I think my analysis was wrong. After 16.g3, black plays Qh2 instead >>>>of Nh2+, and then it's far from clear. Black looks like it will at least >>>>equalize, and with white's king stuck in the center, black could win it. >>>> >>>>It appears GK can see far more than your average run-of-the-mill GM commentator. >>>> >>>>Will >>> >>>After 16...Qh2 white could play 17.Bxh7+ in case 17.f5 17...h5 or even 17...Nd7 >>>18.Kxg4 Qg2 is too dangerous for white. >>>White should be safe after 17.Bxh7+. >>> >>>Michael >> >>Yes, it looks like you're right. >> >>Will > > >When Kasparov chose Bxh7, he took a long time. Crafty was analyzing the >game live on ICC and turned in this 16 ply search result: > > 16-> 33:34 1.59 16. g3 Nh2+ 17. Kf2 Ng4+ 18. Ke1 Qh3 > 19. Rg1 Nd7 20. Kd1 Nf2+ 21. Kc1 Nb6 > 22. Re1 Nxd3+ 23. Qxd3 Bf5 24. Ng1 > Qg4 25. e4 Bxe4 26. Nxe4 dxe4 27. Rxe4 > Rxe4 28. Qxe4 Qxg3 > >After the Bxh7 move, I instantly got this: > > 10-> 2.86 0.00 16. ... Kh8 17. Ng3 Nh2+ 18. Kf2 Ng4+ > 19. Kf3 > 11 4.41 0.00 16. ... Kh8 17. Ng3 Nh2+ 18. Kf2 Ng4+ > 19. Kf3 > 11-> 5.46 0.00 16. ... Kh8 17. Ng3 Nh2+ 18. Kf2 Ng4+ > 19. Kf3 (s=2) > 12 9.92 0.00 16. ... Kh8 17. Ng3 Nh2+ 18. Kf2 Ng4+ > 19. Kf3 > 12-> 15.30 0.00 16. ... Kh8 17. Ng3 Nh2+ 18. Kf2 Ng4+ > 19. Kf3 (s=2) > 13 29.72 0.00 16. ... Kh8 17. Ng3 Nh2+ 18. Kf2 Ng4+ > 19. Kf3 > 13-> 39.29 0.00 16. ... Kh8 17. Ng3 Nh2+ 18. Kf2 Ng4+ > 19. Kf3 (s=2) > 14 1:09 0.00 16. ... Kh8 17. Ng3 Nh2+ 18. Kf2 Ng4+ > 19. Kf3 > 14-> 1:39 0.00 16. ... Kh8 17. Ng3 Nh2+ 18. Kf2 Ng4+ > 19. Kf3 (s=2) > 15 2:47 0.00 16. ... Kh8 17. Ng3 Nh2+ 18. Kf2 Ng4+ > 19. Kf3 > >I would have preferred to see the g3 line myself... It looked (to me anyway) >that white had a lot of life left there and was a piece up... The attack might >have looked scarey, but it really didn't appear to be so to the computer... > >I think he is simply not up to playing more games vs the computer. If I were >to venture a really outlandish opinion, rather than saying "DJ is maybe as >strong as DB" I now might say "DB might really be as weak as DJ". It appears >that Kasparov just doesn't have what it takes to play a 6 game match vs the >machines... Not having been there playing for a million bucks, I can't claim >to understand this. But I have played _many_ games against the machines (mine >and others) and I must say "I don't get it" myself... Chessmaster 9000's PV and evals were almost identical to Crafty's at both of these points in the game. jm
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