Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 13:11:20 02/06/03
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On February 06, 2003 at 16:03:30, Louis Fagliano wrote: >On February 06, 2003 at 11:53:21, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On February 06, 2003 at 05:42:29, Michael Vox wrote: >> >>> >>>Still the question remains unanswered is DJ - GM or Super GM ?? >>> >>>It seems based on the F7 vs Kramnik and now DJ, that the SuperGMs are about even >>>with the bots... Just one man's opinion! >> >> >>I have said for a couple of years now that the comps are probably in the low-GM >>range for playing skill. That hasn't changed a lot in my opinion. >> >>I would assess things as follows, after having watched the DB vs Kasp match, >>then DF vs Kramnik, Hiarcs vs Bareev, DJ vs Kasparov, etc. >> >>In a single game, Kasparov is probably 200 rating points _better_ than any >>computer >>currently playing chess. For example, can you think of a _single_ 2500 player >>that >>would have played the _first_ game from the DJ side? I can't. >> >>In a match, this changes. It would seem that the fatigue factor rates far >>higher than I >>would have imagined, bringing the humans _down_ a couple of hundred rating >>points, >>rather than the computers being that much stronger. Why this is, I don't really >>understand. >>I have, on occasion, played a serious game (or two) every day for two weeks, >>tuning Cray >>Blitz for a major event. Granted, there was not any money at stake, but you can >>bet I was >>not interested in "rolling over" as I had a high level of motivation to repeat >>as WCCC in >>1986 for example. >> >>It is going to take some thought to understand what must be called the "fatigue >>factor". >>But it is obviously there. 15 years ago we referred to the "computer shock >>factor" where >>players met a machine for the first time and didn't know what to expect. They >>would >>often fall into a pit and lose, then come back and win much easier the second >>time around. >>Now we have a completely different "issue"... > >If humans get fatigued quickly in a human-comp match then the only way to bear >that out would be to enter a computer as the only computer entry in an otherwise >all-human GM tournament. Each human GM would face the computer only once and >would not get weary of having to face a machine in game after game where one >slight tactical slip is instantly and unerring punished. > >If only Deep Fritz or Deep Junior could play in Linares later this month. >Sigh... The bias in your debate here is the assumption that show is equal with tournament chess. This is a hoax. Also, without that the CC side will change a few "things", that will not happen anymore. Humans are not stupid. Show yes, for 1 million in advance, yes. But not tournament. NB comps play illegal chess following the FIDE rules. Rolf Tueschen
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