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Subject: Re: From move 28

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 13:47:08 02/08/03

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On February 08, 2003 at 16:43:05, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On February 08, 2003 at 15:25:45, Uri Blass wrote:
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>>On February 08, 2003 at 15:17:14, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
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>>>On February 08, 2003 at 12:21:09, Uri Blass wrote:
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>>>>On February 08, 2003 at 11:02:07, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote:
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>>>>>Earl,
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>>>>>It was a win for black but Kasparov, Amir Ban and Shay Bushinski are all good
>>>>>friends.  This was not a title match. Deep Junior does not have the knowledge to
>>>>>beat a grandmaster. In ten years that may be different.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is possible to agree to a draw even if you are winning. I have done it many
>>>>>times.  Friendship is more valuable than winning.
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>>>>>TJF
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>>>>It was not a clear win for black and people even posted games when white won
>>>>in comp-comp games.
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>>>>Uri
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>>>Hehe, what does it prove if Black was a comp??
>>>
>>>Rolf Tueschen
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>>It only proves that there is no evidence for the claim that black was winning.
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>Oh NO! Not at all! You are dead wrong. Just because two stupid progs couldn't
>play for a win, it's not proven that K couldn't do that. In fact he could. And
>he would. But his plans were different. Only do you NOT pretend here that he
>couldn't because progs couldn't, please.

I do not assume that programs are stupid.

If people here think that they are better than they should demonstrate how to
beat the programs from that position.

I saw no evidence that black is winning.

No explanation where the programs went wrong in the game and missed a win.

Uri
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>>A clear win is somethings that I expect top programs to demonstrate in a game.
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>Not at all. Deep Junior for sure has NOT the class to hold such a position
>positionally.
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>>The position was not clear and instead of trying to solve the problem by playing
>>the sides agree to a draw too early(I criticize both sides)
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>>I think that this behaviour will not encourage chess players to watch the next
>>match and it can reduce the chances that sponsors will pay for another
>>human-computer match.
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>Here I agree with you.
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>Rolf Tueschen
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>>Uri



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