Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 14:20:20 02/08/03
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On February 08, 2003 at 16:47:08, Uri Blass wrote: >On February 08, 2003 at 16:43:05, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>On February 08, 2003 at 15:25:45, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On February 08, 2003 at 15:17:14, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>> >>>>On February 08, 2003 at 12:21:09, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 08, 2003 at 11:02:07, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Earl, >>>>>> >>>>>>It was a win for black but Kasparov, Amir Ban and Shay Bushinski are all good >>>>>>friends. This was not a title match. Deep Junior does not have the knowledge to >>>>>>beat a grandmaster. In ten years that may be different. >>>>>> >>>>>>It is possible to agree to a draw even if you are winning. I have done it many >>>>>>times. Friendship is more valuable than winning. >>>>>> >>>>>>TJF >>>>> >>>>>It was not a clear win for black and people even posted games when white won >>>>>in comp-comp games. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Hehe, what does it prove if Black was a comp?? >>>> >>>>Rolf Tueschen >>> >>>It only proves that there is no evidence for the claim that black was winning. >> >>Oh NO! Not at all! You are dead wrong. Just because two stupid progs couldn't >>play for a win, it's not proven that K couldn't do that. In fact he could. And >>he would. But his plans were different. Only do you NOT pretend here that he >>couldn't because progs couldn't, please. > >I do not assume that programs are stupid. > >If people here think that they are better than they should demonstrate how to >beat the programs from that position. > >I saw no evidence that black is winning. > >No explanation where the programs went wrong in the game and missed a win. That's absolutely correct! But was that the question? Uri, the question was this: if when the progs couldn't find a clear win, if then Kasparov also couldn't find a win or if that could be difficult for him. I said that there were no connection! What comps can't find means nothing because their knowledge is so minute and such a position is a question of long range reflections. But please, do not expect ME to provide such GM reflections. Rolf Tueschen > >Uri >> >> >> >> >> >>>A clear win is somethings that I expect top programs to demonstrate in a game. >> >>Not at all. Deep Junior for sure has NOT the class to hold such a position >>positionally. >> >> >> >>> >>>The position was not clear and instead of trying to solve the problem by playing >>>the sides agree to a draw too early(I criticize both sides) >>> >>>I think that this behaviour will not encourage chess players to watch the next >>>match and it can reduce the chances that sponsors will pay for another >>>human-computer match. >> >>Here I agree with you. >> >>Rolf Tueschen >> >> >> >> >>> >>>Uri
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