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Subject: Re: Rules For Ending Computer Chess Games Needed In Human V Computer Gam

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 20:10:58 02/08/03

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On February 08, 2003 at 07:34:15, Graham Laight wrote:

>On February 08, 2003 at 06:39:35, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>
>>the distance. Such an end in the future no longer fallen both the computer chess
>>fans and even the chess layman will leave themselves, that slowly become the
>>celebrate theatre in the Matches "Man vs. to Machine" too transparent and thus
>>the price of watching no longer worth!!
>
>I agree with the above statement. Yesterday's game was the first to be televised
>live for a very long time. The premature draw agreement will have done nothing
>to attract new or old chess fans into the sport. Also, after yesterday, don't
>expect to see the TV cameras again any time soon.
>
>At the WMCCC in London in 2000, I remember that if One wanted to finish the game
>by offering a draw or resigning, one had to call the arbiter. He would then take
>a good long hard look at the position, and then tell you whether or not you were
>permitted to end the game in that position. Amir and Deep Junior were competing
>at this event, so we KNOW that they have experience of playing under these
>conditions.
>
>Clearly, there is an urgent need to introduce the same rule into computer v
>human games. The alternative is that the game will continue to be mocked by the
>players, people will stop being interested, and anyone who follows the sport
>will be thought of as boring old farts by their friends.
>
>-g


I think the "draw rules" for the match were so far beyond stupid that it takes
sunlight 6 months to get from stupid to where the draw rules were.  :)

Accepting and offering draws is a part of the game, just like moving the
pieces.  I see _no_ reason to not require that the _computer_ make any offer
of a draw, and that the _computer_ accept the draw offer based on whatever
it chooses to use to make that decision.  The human is _not_ a part of the
"chess system" and therefore has _no_ business taking an active role in
decisions that are made which influence the outcome of the game.

Crafty can offer and accept draws by itself.  It has done this for _years_.  It
does it on ICC and in normal games.  Why can't the computer be put in charge of
its own "decision making"???




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