Author: Sune Larsson
Date: 06:04:30 02/09/03
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On February 09, 2003 at 08:36:33, stuart taylor wrote: >On February 09, 2003 at 08:14:36, Sune Larsson wrote: > >>On February 09, 2003 at 06:50:10, stuart taylor wrote: >> >>>On February 08, 2003 at 21:39:20, Sune Larsson wrote: >>> >>>>On February 08, 2003 at 20:50:54, stuart taylor wrote: >>>> >>>>>E.g. Smirin and another who has best chance against machine should play, perhaps >>>>>3 vs DF and 3 vs DJ each, then, if no one gets much improvement on Kasparov and >>>>>Kramniks results, then we will know that the competition is over, and that man >>>>>does not dominate machine in chess. >>>>>S.Taylor >>>> >>>> >>>> How many games needed for the result to be statistically valid ? >>>> >>>> /s >> >>>It's not that system. We just want to know if there is still plenty of life left >>>in human chess, which computers cannot yet overcome, and that this life still >>>CAN result in the humiliation of computers in a show exhibition. >> >>>S.Taylor >> >> >> Aha, I was just about to write some words like "of course there is...", when >> I got to the final two words in your answer - *show exhibition*... Everything >> is then revolving around marketing, media interests and steering up people >> in order to make them buy some products. For those chess players involved, >> it's very easy money of course. And the results will be an effect of the most >> vital thing here: To make the wheels keep on spinning - the show must go on... >> Offer $ 10.000, for a 6-game match, to IM/GM:s > 2450 ELO and your mailboxes >> will be overflooded and tele-lines blocked... ;-) >> >> /s > >I'm interested in what "of course there is" evidence that computers are still >greatly lacking in what it takes to equal the best of humans. This was just my very personal opinion based on games/positions between computers-humans from the last two years. I think it would be possible to get evidence by arranging matches like those I mentioned above. 6-10 games, classical time level, $10-15.000 for the human if he/she wins the match - otherwise just expenses paid - maybe a starting fee etc. This will produce a lineup of highly motivated IM/GM:s > 2450 ELO. > >If these "show games" mean nothing, then there should be more than those. > >If an average world championship match is enough, then this should be atleast >the same. In an average world-ch match, like between Kramnik-Kasparov, they fight about the title. Chess World Champion. In matches like Kasparov-Junior there is no acknowledged title to fight about. /s >S.Taylor
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