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Subject: Re: Unstable aspiration search

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 12:58:13 02/11/03

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On February 11, 2003 at 08:46:55, Sune Fischer wrote:

>On February 11, 2003 at 07:43:44, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>>[D]r2r2k1/p1p2pbp/nq4p1/1p1bp3/1P1P2P1/P3P2P/2BN1P2/R1BQ1RK1 w - e6 0 18
>>>
>>>Nb3 is suggested by crafty, ruffy and many others, frenzee wants to play e4. Of
>>>course I'm not surprised it can't find the right move if it can't give a correct
>>>score (or is it the other way around?:). Something must be broken, I just tested
>>>and it's not related to nullmove or lazy eval.. :(
>>>
>>>-S.
>>
>>Are you sure that Nb3 is the right move
>>The score is clearly negative for white but
>>Movei also likes e4(latest movei find it faster than the public Movei but both
>>find e4 after enough search time).
>>
>>Uri
>
>Oh well, sometimes you find the right move for the wrong reasons, seems ruffian
>also changed after a while to e4.
>
>I did find one bug though, the knight tables were being multiplied with a factor
>5, I forgot all about that. It was just a quick test to adjust all piece square
>scores at once, but seems I forgot to remove it, no wonder evaluation was off.
>
>However I now found a new bug!
>
>I have turned off everything, killers, hashtable, nullmove, using only material
>eval and I get this
>
>1	0	0	3		1.dxe5 Bxe5
>2	0	0	79		1.dxe5 Bxe5
>3	0	1	521		1.dxe5 Bxe5 2.Rb1
>4	165	1	3608		1.dxe5 Nb3
>5	335	4	22022		1.dxe5 e4
>6	380	11	81855		1.dxe5 Nf3
>7	435	43	373682		1.dxe5 e4
>8	165	284	2628534		1.dxe5 e4
>9	165	986	9151622		1.dxe5 e4
>
>white is better by up to 4.35 pawns and dxe5 Nf3 is illegal.
>
>I dont know what is going on here....
>
>-S.


I'm not sure whether you still want me to play with the aspiration window
and post results or not.   I ran this on my laptop and got Nb3 every time,
with a score of about -1.0:

                7->   1.60  -1.03   1. Nb3 Qf6 2. Bb2 Bf3 3. Qd3 Qc6 4.
                                    e4
                8     2.42  -1.13   1. Nb3 exd4 2. Nxd4 c5 3. bxc5 Nxc5
                                    4. Bd2 Bc4 5. Re1 Qf6
                8->   3.10  -1.13   1. Nb3 exd4 2. Nxd4 c5 3. bxc5 Nxc5
                                    4. Bd2 Bc4 5. Re1 Qf6
                9     6.81  -0.96   1. Nb3 exd4 2. Nxd4 c5 3. bxc5 Nxc5
                                    4. Bd2 Ne6 5. Nxe6 Qxe6 6. Rc1
                9->   7.60  -0.96   1. Nb3 exd4 2. Nxd4 c5 3. bxc5 Nxc5
                                    4. Bd2 Ne6 5. Nxe6 Qxe6 6. Rc1
               10    18.36  -1.19   1. Nb3 Qf6 2. Bd3 Qh4 3. Bxb5 Qxh3
                                    4. f3 Nb8 5. dxe5 Qg3+ 6. Kh1 Bxe5
               10->  22.43  -1.19   1. Nb3 Qf6 2. Bd3 Qh4 3. Bxb5 Qxh3
                                    4. f3 Nb8 5. dxe5 Qg3+ 6. Kh1 Bxe5
              time=23.28  cpu=99%  mat=0  n=8188457  fh=91%  nps=351k


If you want me to run with different aspiration windows, let me know...



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