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Subject: Re: Rebel12 BETA5 vs. Fritz8.0.0.5 2-0 !

Author: Andreas Herrmann

Date: 09:24:31 02/12/03

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On February 12, 2003 at 09:30:17, Uri Blass wrote:

>On February 12, 2003 at 08:30:55, Ed Schröder wrote:
>
>>On February 12, 2003 at 06:49:44, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>
>>>The new Rebel12 BETA5 seems to be very strong.
>>>In games against Rebel XP REBEL.ENG
>>>this new effort of Ed Schröder played unbelievable
>>>12.5-0.5 !!!!! 12/1/0 (13) 96.2% on at 1' per move.
>>
>>It's strange indeed but still within the error margin. I once had a 14-1 case,
>>in the end it became about equal. But of course cases like this are the big
>>exceptions. Don't be surprised when you are at 50-100 games you are back at 60%.
>
>12.5-.5 or 14-1 are clearly significant results.
>
>I do not guess that the difference is so big like the result suggest but I will
>be surprised if they are almost equal.
>
>If I assume 40% for white 30% draws and 30% for black then I expect 12.5-.5 or
>13-0 to happen in clearly less than 0.01% of the cases.
>If I assume 7 games with white then I get by simple combinatoric
>0.4^7*0.3^6+
>0.4^7*0.3^5*0.3*6+0.4^6*0.3^6*0.3*7
>
>It is clearly less than 1 out of 10000 cases when the programs are equal.
>
>If I see 12.5-.5 or 14-1 then I am going to believe that one of the following
>happened:
>
>1)The machine is broken
>2)There is a big improvement and my guess is to expect more than 65% in more
>games(Note that I do not expect more than 90% because I believe that part of it
>has to be some luck).
>
>Thorsten found that 1 is false so I guess that 2 is correct.
>
>It is possible that with more information I will have a different opinion(for
>example if I know that the 12.5-.5 came only as result of a small change then I
>am not going to expect more than 65%) but when I do not know what you did and I
>see that result my guess is at least 65% for beta5.
>
>Uri

i often let the absolutely same Holmes version play against itself under
Wínboard (2 times installed in different folders) to check only the stability.
Before about some weeks i had a result of 17,0 : 3,0. I have checked the
settings very carefully, and all was ok. So such results can happen.

I can also remember results, where i have playd games between 2 different
versions of Holmes where one version scores 70% to 75% in 50 games. Then i have
continued, and after 150 games the score was only about 50%. That's real
statistic.

Andreas





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