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Subject: Re: Rebel12 BETA5 vs. Fritz8.0.0.5 2-0 !

Author: Drexel,Michael

Date: 09:49:09 02/12/03

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On February 12, 2003 at 11:58:47, Ed Schröder wrote:

>On February 12, 2003 at 09:30:17, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On February 12, 2003 at 08:30:55, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>
>>>On February 12, 2003 at 06:49:44, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>>
>>>>The new Rebel12 BETA5 seems to be very strong.
>>>>In games against Rebel XP REBEL.ENG
>>>>this new effort of Ed Schröder played unbelievable
>>>>12.5-0.5 !!!!! 12/1/0 (13) 96.2% on at 1' per move.
>>>
>>>It's strange indeed but still within the error margin. I once had a 14-1 case,
>>>in the end it became about equal. But of course cases like this are the big
>>>exceptions. Don't be surprised when you are at 50-100 games you are back at 60%.
>>
>>12.5-.5 or 14-1 are clearly significant results.
>>
>>I do not guess that the difference is so big like the result suggest but I will
>>be surprised if they are almost equal.
>>
>>If I assume 40% for white 30% draws and 30% for black then I expect 12.5-.5 or
>>13-0 to happen in clearly less than 0.01% of the cases.
>>If I assume 7 games with white then I get by simple combinatoric
>>0.4^7*0.3^6+
>>0.4^7*0.3^5*0.3*6+0.4^6*0.3^6*0.3*7
>>
>>It is clearly less than 1 out of 10000 cases when the programs are equal.
>>
>>If I see 12.5-.5 or 14-1 then I am going to believe that one of the following
>>happened:
>>
>>1)The machine is broken
>>2)There is a big improvement and my guess is to expect more than 65% in more
>>games(Note that I do not expect more than 90% because I believe that part of it
>>has to be some luck).
>>
>>Thorsten found that 1 is false so I guess that 2 is correct.
>>
>>It is possible that with more information I will have a different opinion(for
>>example if I know that the 12.5-.5 came only as result of a small change then I
>>am not going to expect more than 65%) but when I do not know what you did and I
>>see that result my guess is at least 65% for beta5.
>
>
>Well of course I hope you are right with the 65%, that would be +90 elo, that's
>hardly imaginable. Here is a true story about randomness, it comes from a book
>about curiosities I once have read. In a casino somewhere in Europe playing
>roulette the ball came >110 times on red. That's 2 to the power of 110. In that
>light a score of 12-0 which is 3 to the power of 12 is meaningless.
>
>Ed

 >110 ?? ~1.298*10^33 ??
 German comment: "Da hat man dir aber einen schönen Bären aufgebunden"
 Its possible of course but Im quite sure: This has never happend.
 In Monte Carlo the record is 52 times on black in a row.


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>>Uri



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