Author: Sune Larsson
Date: 17:37:47 02/14/03
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On February 14, 2003 at 19:49:40, Uri Blass wrote:
>On February 14, 2003 at 16:54:26, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>
>>A most interesting drawn game. Under "Special" at our homepage "Kurt & Rolf
>>Chess": http://www.beepworld.de/members39/utzinger there a some more games of
>>average players who were able to resist the strongest chess programs.
>>
>>Eine interessante Remis-Partie. Unter "Special" sind auf unserer Homepage
>><a href="http://www.beepworld.de/members39/utzinger" target=_top>Kurt & Rolf
>>Chess</a> weitere Partien "Man vs Machine" zu finden, wo nicht Weltklassespieler
>>den elektronischen Biestern Paroli geboten haben.
>>
>>[Event "Blitz 60 min"]
>>[Site "Switzerland"]
>>[Date "2002"]
>>[Round "1"]
>>[White "Fritz 7008"]
>>[Black "Utzinger, K."]
>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>[ECO "C12"]
>>[WhiteElo "2741"]
>>[BlackElo "1976"]
>>[PlyCount "42"]
>>
>>1. e4 {Fritz 7.0.0.8 vs Kurt Utzinger, 2002-10-10; Fritz7-GUI, P4 1.8/512, 287
>>MB hash, ponder=on, 4-men TB's, time control: rapid 60 min, book=fritz7.ctg,
>>comments: Kurt Utzinger, Switzerland} 1... e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Bb4 5.
>>e5 h6 6. Bd2 Bxc3 7. bxc3 Ne4 8. Qg4 Kf8 {I had my beloved McCutcheon
>>variation of the French defence on the board. I like much more 8...Kf8 than
>>the alternative move 8...g6 / Es ist mir gelungen, meine geliebte McCutcheon
>>Variante in der Franzoesischen Verteidigung zu spielen. Dabei spiele ich immer
>>den Koenigszug statt die den Koenigsfluegel schwaechende Alternative 8...g6
>>(Utzinger,K)} 9. h4 c5 10. Rh3 cxd4 11. cxd4 Qb6 12. Nf3 Nc6 13. Bd3 {
>>This is so far a well known main variation / Das ist eine wohl bekannte
>>Hauptvariante (Utzinger,K)} 13... Nxe5 {(?) At the time of playing this game,
>>I was very proud about this move, because I did not know that white has a
>>forced win at it's disposal / Zum Zeitpunkt dieser Partie war ich stolz auf
>>diesen Zug, weil ich damals noch nicht wusste, dass Weiss einen forcierten
>>Gewinn zur Verfuegung hat (Utzinger,K)} 14. Nxe5 Qxd4 15. Qf4 Qxa1+ 16. Ke2 {
>>White last book move / Letzter Buchzug von Weiss (Utzinger,K)} 16... f5 {
>>That's the prepared novelty I have not found in the theory books. The normal
>>continuations 16...Nf6 or 16...f6 are bad and lost for Black. / Das ist die
>>vorbereitete Neuerung, die ich in keinem Theoriebuch gefunden hatte. Die
>>ueblichen Fortsetzungen 16...Sf6 oder 16...f6 sind schlecht und fuehren zu
>>schwarzem Verlust (Utzinger,K)} 17. Bxe4 dxe4 18. Ng6+ Kg8 19. Ne7+ {(?)
>>This only leads to a drawn game. The alternative 19.Qc7! would win for white,
>>but this came to my mind only some weeks later. I had thought that black could
>>hold the position with 19...Qd4 and completely overlooked the decisive reply
>>20.Ne5!! +-. Funny enough: due to my knowledge of this variation I was able to
>>realize an easy win with white in our winter club tournament 2002-2003 / Das
>>fuehrt nur zum Remis, aber die Alternative 19.Dc7! gewinnt fuer Weiss. Das
>>wurde mir jedoch erst einige Wochen nach der Partie bewusst. Ich hatte gedacht,
>>mit 19...Dd4 die Stellung halten zu koennen, jedoch den herrlichen Zug 20.
>>Se5!! +- uebersehen. Und lustig: aufgrund meiner Kenntnisse dieser Variante,
>>gelang mir damit im Klubturnier 2002-2003 ein leichter Gewinn mit Weiss
>>(Utzinger,K)} 19... Kh7 20. Bc3 {Looks dangerous but Black has a sufficient
>>defence. / Sieht gefaehrlich aus, doch verfuegt Schwarz ueber eine genuegende
>>Verteidigung (Utzinger,K)} 20... Qxa2 21. Qe5 Qxc2+ {And Fritz7 offered a draw
>>which I accepted. White cannot avoid perpetual check. / Und hier bot Fritz7
>>Remis an, was ich annahm. Ewiges Schach kann Weiss nicht verhindern (Utzinger,
>>K)} 1/2-1/2
>
>Are you sure that your rating is less than 2000?
>I am surprised that you know theory so well.
>
>I have some comments:
>
>1)Usually 2000 players are not professional players and they are out of book
>after less than 15 moves.
Openings are much easier to memorize than the understanding of manouvering,
strategics, endings etc. So my experience is rather that 2000 players can
be very well prepared in the openings but, once out of book, risk to play
a couple of hundred points below their opening level.
>2000 players usually do not prepare a novelty to play at move 16 before the
>game.
...unless they play corr and/or have made some deep studies in particular
opening lines.
/s
>
>2)I think that it is a mistake to go to a long theoretical lines against players
>that are experts in theory like you and it may be better even to start with 1.e3
>only to get you out of book early.
>
>3)If 2000 players can draw with top program when they cannot do it with humans
>with 2700 then I need an explanation what the 2700 players do different.
>
>I suspect that the 2000 players who draw against computers, can also draw often
>against human players with clearly bigger rating than them, but they also draw
>with weaker players and this is the reason that they do not get progress.
>
>Uri
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