Author: Komputer Korner
Date: 11:25:31 09/30/98
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On September 30, 1998 at 14:12:22, Alessio Iacovoni wrote: >On September 30, 1998 at 13:15:44, Komputer Korner wrote: > >>On September 30, 1998 at 05:41:29, Alessio Iacovoni wrote: >> >>>On September 30, 1998 at 05:32:13, Danniel Corbit wrote: >>> >>>>On September 30, 1998 at 05:24:43, Jouni Uski wrote: >>>>>I still haven't found any faster chess engine than Fritz4.01. Fritz5 and >>>>>Nimzo98 come near, but can't beat Fritz4.01 in my P90. I have tested in about >>>>>700 test positions - this is no 10 - 30 positions result. >>> >>>This strenghtens my belief that there software improvements do not substantially >>>modify the strength of a chess engine (the fast ones especially), whereas >>>hardware improvements and books can. See my post "Why bother and buy new chess >>>software". >> >>Your belief is wrong. Positional evaluation and other software engine >>improvements increase at a small rate each year, but add up all the years of a >>program and the total is significant. As Bob says, his Crafty of today smashes >>his Crafty of 2 years ago on the same hardware. The same for other programs. >>Programs of 10 years ago do not stand a chance against todays programs on the >>same hardware. >> >>-- >>Komputer Korner > >Maybe I haven't expressed myself correctly... of course a program developed in >1998 is stronger than one dating back to 1990, or even closer in time. What I >meant to say is that we will reach a point, if we havent already, in which chess >programs, instilled with that chess knowlwedge that they were lacking in the >past, will not require anything else for improvement than sheer processing >speed. What programs in the bast were basically lacking was a better positional >understanding.. now they have that (see HIARCS and basically all of the other >ones.. including the so called "fast searchers" such as Crafty), plus they have >an outstanding tactical capacity. So.. HOW ELSE can they be improved by >software? What I meant was that we have probably come at a point in which >"everything has already been done" and now the baton has to pass on to hardware >improvements... >I don't know if there have been any studies of this kind but could a progam like >Hiarcs.. or any of the strong ones that everybody has at home.. beat kasparov at >long times with a pentium XX "1000" or something of the sort and 100mb of mem >for hash tables? > >Alessio Iacovoni No, for 2 reasons. 1) Kasparov understands things ( positional, exceptions to positional rules ....etc) that will take a long time to program into chess computer programs. 2) Kasparov will always be able to come up with enough opening novelties deep enough that the fastest searchers won't be able to overcome them tactically. In other words, Kasparov's opening prep will always be enormous (his last match against Deeper Blue was a tragic exception) compared to the opening prep of the computer which will be zero or close to it. Again, Deeper Blue's opening prep was an exception because GM Joel Benjamin had a year to do it and on the strength of that prep he later won the U.S. Closed Championship. -- Komputer Korner
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