Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 05:14:06 02/15/03
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On February 15, 2003 at 07:21:09, Uri Blass wrote: >On February 15, 2003 at 07:01:46, Drexel,Michael wrote: > >>On February 15, 2003 at 05:22:05, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On February 15, 2003 at 03:29:26, Drexel,Michael wrote: >>> >>>>On February 14, 2003 at 08:38:22, Albert Silver wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 14, 2003 at 08:25:58, Eduard Nemeth wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I think that programs in the order for being tested am, how they are sold >>>>>>commercially after date! >>>>>> >>>>>>S7 was sold about one month later, than Fritz 8!!! >>>>>> >>>>>>Thus normally now first Fritz 8 should be tested. >>>>>> >>>>>>I go of it out of that ChessBase Fritz 8 yet did not submit. >>>>>> >>>>>>Why not? >>>>>> >>>>>>ChessBase know why. >>>>>> >>>>>>;-) >>>>>> >>>>>>Eduard >>>>> >>>>>Are you suggesting they withheld Fritz 8 because they knew it would perfomr >>>>>better and might hurt Shredder 7 sales, or that Fritz 8 might actually not do so >>>>>good (unlikely) in which case it might hurt sales of Fritz 8? >>>>> >>>>> Albert >>>> >>>>SSDF has to be criticized. They claim to be independent, but in fact they are >>>>not more than a sales argument for Chessbase. They shouldnt have tested Shredder >>>>7 before they test Fritz 8. >>> >>>I think that they test what the programmers want them to test. >>>It has nothing to do with chessbase. >>> >>>Uri >> >>They shouldnt test what the programmers want them to test, they should test >>what the majority of the users want them to test. >>Therefore it was IMO correct to test the CB-GUI version of Shredder 7 and not >>the UCI-Version. >>On the other hand they should have tested Fritz 8 FIRST, even if they had to >>postpone the Shredder 7 test. >>Fritz 8 was available before Shredder 7 and the majority of the users wanted to >>know: Is Fritz 8 really stronger as Fritz 7 and Deep Fritz 7(on single >>processor) ? >> >>Michael > >I usually assume without checking when there is no different evidence that if >chessbase do not ask the ssdf to test their last version then it means that >their last version is weaker and they will give an upgrade later. This is in clear opposition to the self understanding of SSDF. > >In this case I am not sure because Sandro who is not involved in Fritz8 gave the >opinion that Fritz8 is better than Fritz7 and I also saw other people like Mark >young who gave good result of Fritz8. > >I think that the ssdf should do what the programmers ask them(othewrwise >programmers may refuse to send their versions to them. Uri, here you confess the whole bankruptcy of all standards of objective testing. > >I think that testing CB-GUI version of shredder was not correct decision. >I do not know what the majority of users want them to test and I saw no evidence >that the majority want them to test Fritz8 or that the majority want them to >test Shredder7 in the chessbase interface. > >If you ask me then I say that they did right when they did not test Fritz8(they >should not buy Fritz8 in order to test it and if chessbase want them to test it >they should send Fritz8 to them). That will by force lead to a destruction of independance. Unbelievable. Rolf Tueschen > >Uri
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