Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 06:44:43 02/16/03
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On February 16, 2003 at 09:31:25, Uri Blass wrote: >On February 16, 2003 at 09:25:14, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>On February 16, 2003 at 08:28:38, Frank Phillips wrote: >> >>>On February 16, 2003 at 08:19:08, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On February 16, 2003 at 07:23:29, Frank Phillips wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 16, 2003 at 07:10:34, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>The gap between the best programs and part of the free programs programs is more >>>>>>than 500 elo on equal hardware. >>>>> >>>>>Can you point to the data source that supports this claim. > 500 seems a bigger >>>>>gap that indicated by SDF and ICC. >>>> >>>>There are a lot of rating list >>>>The gap between the best free programs and another part of the free programs is >>>>also more than 500 elo. >>>> >>>> >>>>Look at the following list >>>> >>>>http://www.digichess.gr/infiniteloop/ratings/rapid_rating_il2r.txt >>>> >>>>Crafty17.9 2672 >>>>Movei0.07a 2052 >>>> >>>> >>>>Movei0.07a(my old program) is not extremely weak and it is >>>>more closer to the top than to the bottom that is >>>>LaMoSca 0.10 1183 >>>> >>>>I said that the gap between the best programs and part of te free programs is >>>>more than 500 elo. >>>>I did not talk about the best free programs. >>> >>>I did not understand your sentence. Clearly if the one you describe are bey >>>definition those >500 worse then the statement is obviously true. I had in mind >>>Riffian, Crafty, Ferret etc >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Hardware that is 100 times faster will not be enough to compensate for that >>>>>>difference. >>>>>> >>>>>>We do not know what was the level of the software of deeper blue because it >>>>>>never played games on equal hardware. >>>>> >>>>>Why should it have to play on equal hardware? It was designed to a different >>>>>paradigm. >>>> >>>>If people use the speed of it as a reason to convince people that it was better >>>>than we need some information about it's level on equal hardware. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I also doubt the claim that the hardware was 100 times faster and we have no >>>>>>proof for the number of nodes that it searched(200M nodes could be a >>>>>>psychological war against kasparov when the real number was only 20M). >>>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>>> >>>>>I wish IBM (or someone) would fund Hsu's next chip. Then we would finally be >>>>>able to answer these questions Of course, some would then deny the facts if >>>>>they did not fit their expectations ;-) >>>> >>>>No >>>> >>>>It can only prove in the best case for Hsu that Hsu is capable to do >>>>a chip that is better than the top programs of today. >>>> >>>>I did not claim that he is unable to do it. >>>> >>>>It is not going to prove that DB97 is better than the top programs of today. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>>Moot as alawys. It was interesting listening to Fed. on chess.fm. He praised >>>Junior, but did not have it in the same class as DB 1997... Of course he may not >>>be impartial, but then again neither are the current set of commentators. >>> >>>My interest as stated before is more whether we actually need something as good >>>as DB to stand toe to toe with the elite GMs, or whether a good software package >>>(Hiarcs, Fritz, Junior....) on a fast PC is sufficient. >>> >>>If Hiarcs, Fritz and Junior really are as good as DB97 (in their different ways) >>>then the answer is yes anyway.... :-) >> >> >>As Bob's little brother I want to participate in the race. Here is my verdict >>from a science point of view: >> >>If you take the best DBnm you could make in 10 years, right, then this DB could >>STILL NOT stand toe to toe with our then best GM. [Here I must exclude all show >>event results. Because otherwise I must announce my own becoming World Champion >>in a match against Kasparov for the incredibly high sum of 230 million US $$ >>offered of course prior to the MATCH.] >> >> >>:) > >I think that you chose the wrong game. > >Maybe in go the best thing is going to lose against the world champion in 2013 >but not in chess. > >Uri Uri, hehe, NOT the THING will play but me myself against the then World Champion for 230 million US $$! Of course in a show event. But what is right for DJ cannot be false for Rolf? Rolf Tueschen
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