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Subject: Re: Answers (Chess reasoning in CC)

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 12:54:37 02/16/03

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On February 16, 2003 at 15:15:33, Peter McKenzie wrote:

>On February 16, 2003 at 12:10:35, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On February 16, 2003 at 07:59:54, Amir Ban wrote:
>>
>>>On February 15, 2003 at 13:06:55, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I disagree with the "played like a super-GM" player, however.  I doubt you
>>>>will find _any_ 2200 FIDE player that would play as badly as DJ played in
>>>>the first three games, up until move 30 or so.  Game 1 would not have been
>>>>played by any 2000 player I know, myself included.  So saying that it has
>>>>super-GM positional understanding is _way_ _way_ offbase.  Yes, it played
>>>>good moves at times.  But it also played _horrible_ moves at times.  And I
>>>>am not just talking about tactically horrible moves such as the blunders that
>>>>Kasparov dropped on the board, I am talking about moves such as taking the
>>>>g-pawn and getting exposed to a horrific attack.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I can't agree with any of this.
>>>
>>>It would be good to back the statement that Junior played the "first three
>>>games, up until move 30 or so" worse than 2200 with some concrete examples of
>>>where a 2200 player would play better. The three games lasted 27, 30 & 36 moves,
>>>so what does this mean at all ?
>>
>>
>>Take game 1.  I don't know of _anybody_ that would play like that, except
>>for some computers.  Totally lost.
>>
>>Take game 2.  Every GM criticized the idea of "winning the exchange" instantly.
>>It took me (and other lowly humans) a lot longer to conclude "this looks very
>>dangerous for white, where prior to accepting we all thought white had a better
>>position.
>>
>>Take game 3.  Taking the g-pawn to open a file in your own king's face.  Did
>>you hear _any_ IM/GM player that thought that was a good move?  I didn't and
>>we had _several_ on ICC.
>
>I believe your comments on game 3 are much too simplistic.  There are many
>examples in chess where one player exposes himself to an attack knowing that at
>least one of the following holds:
>
>- reasonable material compensation (the classic way to combat a gambit is to
>grab the pawn, and give it back later when it suits you best)
>- reasonable positional compensation
>
>This is the modern dynamic chess style: overcoming the stereotyped evaluation of
>a chess position to find the resources hidden beneath the surface.
>
>A good example is the poisoned pawn variation of the Sicilian Najdorf.  It would
>be easy to simply dismiss this as a silly pawn grab, and I believe that many GMs
>were highly skeptical when it was first introduced.  But history has shown it a
>viable defense.  White has many attacking options but also has problems on the
>dark squares, a weaker centre, and a pawn is a pawn.
>
>I have studied this game 3 in some depth and certainly taking the g-pawn was a
>reasonable move.  As well as netting the pawn black was able to gain counterplay
>against the white king which was rather loose in the centre.
>
>Was it ultimately sound?  Thats hard to say, but it is definitely the sort of
>move a Kortchnoi or a Fischer might have played.
>
><snip>

I want to support those who say, maybe Nxg4 was forced - although I agree with
those who say that the position is probably lost for Black.

And then I conclude [what every chessplayer did] that the crucial position of
the line must be earlier in the line. IF Black is FORCED to take the Pawn g4,
then such a position is already letally wounded - this is what all the masters
said and DJ won't find a perfect defense here. But having said that does not
mean that the win for White is _easy_. Because it still requires permanent
precision. GM are known to be able to do that. Period.

Question remains, where is the crucial point for a better move for Black.
If that's in the book then this is a fault of GM Alterman who had time enough to
check such moves [g4] as typical anti-comp. Sorry, I remember that Sandro Necchi
is the responsible. Well, then we have a typical problem for CC because in case
the book author is no GM or no anti-comp expert, then he won't find the danger
in g4.

Rolf Tueschen



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