Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 02:15:52 02/17/03
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On February 16, 2003 at 21:14:34, Peter McKenzie wrote: >>The point is easy. The whole line, Peter, is bad for Black. See the post from >>Michael. I gave the number to Peter Berger. Michael showed, and others before on >>the servers, that White had advantage. Not to be proven with whole lines of 40 >>plies but still visible. Of course Kasparov played exactly NOT the line that led >>to advantage. So back to Nxg4. After g4 played, yes, then Nxg4 might be the best >>move. But NOT in a sense that it's a good move. If Nxg4 is a "good" move then >>the whole line is bull, that is the summary of that line. And the early 0-0 is >>the reason for that mess. So, to begin with you must avoid to play 0-0. > >But Bob wasn't talking about O-O, he was talking about Nxg4. And I answered >Bob, so I was also taking about Nxg4. Yes, we were both talking about Nxg4 I >think. > >Get it? > >Repeat after me 100 times: we were talking about Nxg4 > > >Having a conversation with you is funny: Since English is Peter's main language the responsibility is _Peters_ that nobody is to be spoken to like that. Peters indecency is well documented here [it was just a couple of days ago]. The point here in our debate is clear to every good chessplayer [Peter is one] and therefore it's telling that exactly Amir's report is so confusing. And against Peters own knowledge he keeps on roaring here with a lingual overfloading as if he could defend Amir against Bob. This message here is a good example for Peters temper and communicative weaknesses. Just to explain to readers with less chess skills I'd like to show why Bob's position is ok and Amir is wrong. The question is, if the move Nxg4 is good, acceptable or bad? Amir said: it's the only move, and he insists that Crafty would play the worse h6 and so that Amir thinks that Junior is better than Crafty because it found the "best" = only move Nxg4. My comment: Amir is fatally wrong! I would say that a program that _avoids_ the opening of the g-line is _always_ "better"! Although its response (h6) is _also_ bad. Here it's very clear that such a seemingly contradictory situation cannot be solved in that move itself but only in the perspective of the whole line. Every good chessplayer simply goes back and seeks for improvement. And it's very clear again that already Blacks O-O is very bad because after the response g4 the threat g5 is already the end. And for basic reasons Black cannot open the g-file if White has not yet castled. Would Crafty avoid O-O? Michael showed that it prefered Bb7! So I conclude: Amir confuses the whole question of that line. He is not even aware of the fact that the whole line is bull if afterwards Black is forced to open the g-file. Crafty is much wiser because it avoids the whole zwick! Amirs difficulties have a historic record. A predescent of todays Junior was unable to mate with B+N against the naked K. More, it was incapable to underpromote. The logic of the response was that these situations were rather seldom in the games. Perhaps the opening of the g-file is also good in general and only in very rare cases disadvantageous. Reason: Junior needs the open game. But here is a clear indication of the fallacies of such lopsided reasoning in CC. Once such weaknesses become known a human chessplayer will exploit it without mercy. If several weaknesses exist the overall result will be a real pain for CC. The difference between comp-comp chess and comp-human chess is apparent! [With the Weak-Chain theory I had in mind that human players are capable of aiming exactly to such weaknesses while comps are totally incapable to _do_ that or to _defend_ against it!] Rolf Tueschen > >The dog is brown. > >No no no no, you are so wrong, you said the dog was green! But really the cat >is white!!! > >But the dog is brown I tell you! > >Look, that cat is definitely white, can't you see that? If only you could >understand the physics of light you would know the cat was white. You clearly >are under the influence of propoganda, big business, greed, corruption and Star >Trek. > >Damn, and here I was thinking the dog was brown ...
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