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Subject: Re: position learning question

Author: Steve Lim

Date: 02:24:37 02/17/03

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I long time ago, I asked Bob about using Positional Learning to help solve wild7
(Chess variant on ICC).

I got the same response about local maxmia issues. I believe I understand the
example given... however I proposed a solution to help solve the
wild7 issue.

Simple increase the threshold that triggers learning to some high number (eg.
MATE score). Then _only_ when it sees mate in the search will it learn. It
should back up the tree with time..

I don't really see any maxima issues at all with this workaround.. albeit it
will take a long long time to work.

Note: I never did see crafty make progress despite playing thousands of wild7
games against itself using the above mentioned settings.


Steve.

On February 16, 2003 at 12:16:00, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>>>This is a well-known issue, and I should add that position learning doesn't
>>>claim to solve everything.  It is really a defense against repeating the same
>>>game multiple times which humans have been known to do.  But as you notice, it
>>>will not solve every kind of position, because of local maxima issues.  IE
>>>there are some holes you can not climb out because to do so means you first
>>>have to go for a _lower_ score, to reach the valley floor and start to climb
>>>up the other side...
>>



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