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Subject: Re: To Aaron Gordon

Author: Charles Worthington

Date: 06:05:47 02/18/03

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On February 18, 2003 at 08:52:39, Aaron Gordon wrote:

>On February 18, 2003 at 08:25:38, Charles Worthington wrote:
>
>>Perhaps you right Aaron but the Crafty Benchmark figures you have shown are with
>>Pentium 4 Processors and not Xeon. These figures do no seem to take
>>Hyper-Threading into account nor advances in the Speed of RAM and chipsets. Also
>>I would think that Deep Fritz 7 would be able to utilize the hyper-threading
>>more efficiently than Crafty at this point. Of course, I have no ideal how fast
>>the system will be until I get it installed. But I can assure you that If I am
>>unhappy with it's performance it will be sent back. Overclocking is not an
>>option for me even if I were to opt for an AMD system. If overclocking were my
>>plan, however, I would most certainly stick to the far more stable Xeon. But I
>>sort of feel like If a processor can't hold it's own without overclocking then I
>>dont need it.
>
>How do you figure Xeons are 'far more stable'? I've had my AMD systems run
>months without needing reboots. Only time my server ever goes down is due to
>power outages. Most people think AMD is unstable because they buy some $50
>motherboard and $5 heatsink and then when their box crashes they (for some
>reason) blame the chip.
>
>Xeons are identical to Pentium 4's except in the area of L2/L3. Integer unit,
>fpu, etc are all identical. The extra cache isn't going to help in chess one bit
>unfortunately.
>
>In the Crafty benchmark I do have a Hyperthreaded benchmark, with the Freon
>cooled P4-4GHz. I also need to add a P4-3GHz result with hyperthreading as well.
>It's identical in speed to the 2400+ (2.0GHz) not overclocked. Without
>hyperthreading the P4-3GHz is about as fast as an AthlonXP 2200+ (1.8GHz) Also,
>how do you figure Deep Fritz is going to be more Hyperthreading friendly than
>Crafty?


All I am saying is that we need to wait to test the system before we judge it. I
will post the results here alongside results from my 2.8 single cpu system. We
have no idea how the new intel E7505 chipset will factor into the equation.
Believe me, with the price I payed for this system, if it does not perform I
will be the first one back here screaming that the Xeons are overpriced garbage.
But I won't hang it first without giving it a trial. :-)))



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