Author: Andrew R. Case
Date: 05:18:08 02/20/03
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On February 20, 2003 at 00:04:43, Matt Taylor wrote:
>On February 19, 2003 at 21:43:10, Charles Worthington wrote:
>
>>On February 19, 2003 at 20:59:19, Charles Worthington wrote:
>>
>>>On February 19, 2003 at 20:58:20, Charles Worthington wrote:
>>>
>>>>Yes Matt many people here do exagerate their figures. If the Intel guy says
>>>>Intel will produce a 20 GHz cpu next week then the AMD guy will tell you that he
>>>>can still clock his 2600 to 20.1GHz....and vice versa. The truth is that they
>>>>are both good processors. Is the AMD on par with the Xeon in quality or speed?
>>>>No, it isn't. The 2.8 Xeon was tested alongside the AMD 2400MP and clearly
>>>>out-scored it. The tests were performed by an independant company who had no
>>>>reason to lie. Yes as far as speed goes they can both be clocked up. But people
>>>>should try to bear in mind that the AMD and the Xeon are very different products
>>>>designed for very different markets. The Zeon is primarily designed for
>>>>workstation and server platforms where both speed ans stability are required.
>>>>They are high end processors and are priced accordingly. The Athlon is designed
>>>>more for use in PC's both single cpu (xp) and dual (Mp). It is a fast processor
>>>>for the buck but was not designed to be overclocked to try to match a Xeon. If a
>>>>2 GHz cpu was stable at 3 GHz then, trust me, AMD would market it as a 3 GHz.
>>>>The bottom line is simple: If you want performance and stability and you can
>>>>afford to pay for it buy the Xeon. If you want performance but are on a limited
>>>>budget buy the AMD. But_don't_ go out and buy a Yugo and then come back here and
>>>>tell me that you are building it to catch the neighbors Ferrari. If the
>>>>neighbors Ferrari bothers you that much then buy one too. If you can't afford
>>>>one then be happy with the yugo. It will still get you where you are going.
>>>> To me trying to compare Intel and AMD is like comparing apples and oranges.
>>>>You are comparing a low end home and light business processor against a high end
>>>>heavy duty cpu designed specifically for Workstation and server platforms. That
>>>>is like comparing a Yugo to a Ferrari.
>>
>>Charles
>>
>>
>>P.S. The figures for Deep Fritz 7 that I have observed on the chessbase server
>>are as follows: 2.2GHz P4 750kNs; 2.8GHz P4 1038 kNs; 3.06GHz P4 w/HT 1,297kNs.
>>AMD 2400xp 1030 kNs; Dual AMD 2400mp 2280kNs; Dual AMD 2400xp 2166 kNs. I have
>>played against or observed most every dual on that site. I did see one machine
>>post 2400 kNs but that was only once and may have been during a spike. I am
>>unsure of the type cpu which produced that figure. I have seen overclocking
>>claims here so wild as to defy belief. I have seen claims of single cpu AMD's
>>pulling 1,800 kNs with Deep Fritz 7 (without any way of hyperthreading). They
>>need to put that in a dual then come to the chessbase server and let us all see
>>the 3300 kNs post. Of course they won't do this because they cant make that
>>post. It is easy to post figures on here where no one can prove or disprove them
>>but it's not so easy to prove it over the board on the chessbase server. The
>>figures i have posted above were with 64 MB Hash tables in 3+2 time controls.
>>And yes, some of those AMD dual machines are overclocked the owners have told me
>>so themselves. The above figures are how it is in the real world. They are
>>unbiased and accurate. And i challenge any AMD here overclocked or not to show
>>all of us on the fritz server than he can exceed 2600 kNs with Deep Fritz 7.
>>Forget posting the benchmarks here...let the chessbase server do that. And be
>>sure to use the Deep Fritz 7 GUI and send evaluations. The kNs will be posted at
>>the end of every game.
>
>AthlonMP 2600 is available. Comparing AthlonMP 2400 to P4 3.06 GHz isn't exactly
>fair, is it?
>
>-Matt
Sure it is, nobody has a dual 2600MP yet....that is the problem
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