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Subject: Re: Jeremiah Go to www.Dell.com. You can order it right now at a reasonable

Author: Charles Worthington

Date: 17:30:53 02/22/03

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On February 22, 2003 at 20:28:26, Charles Worthington wrote:

>On February 22, 2003 at 17:45:50, Matt Taylor wrote:
>
>>On February 22, 2003 at 12:05:08, Sune Fischer wrote:
>>
>>>On February 22, 2003 at 11:38:04, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 22, 2003 at 11:05:42, Charles Worthington wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 22, 2003 at 07:08:53, Robert Pawlak wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Charles,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am envious, please let us know how you enjoy your new system...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Bob
>>>>>
>>>>>It's nothing to envy, Bob. It was a necessity for my business. I have never
>>>>>spent quite_that_much on a machine for my office before. A single 3.06 would
>>>>>have done fine for me also but considering that I use it for chess I opted for
>>>>>the dual. Rich, I am not, and it certainly stings a little to pay that price for
>>>>>a motherboard that I will have to abandon when Intel changes the design on their
>>>>>cpus. :-)
>>>>
>>>>I think that for most people there is no special reason to have a dual for
>>>>chess.
>>>>
>>>>I do not see why is it so important to have the fastest hardware and for a lot
>>>>of programs Dual is not faster than single.
>>>
>>>Maybe not faster, but things run more smoothly on a dual. Having a spare
>>>processor to handle the background processes when one chip is at full load is
>>>something you can definitely feel as a user.
>>>
>>>And maybe duals would be more popular if more software supported it, goes hand
>>>in hand I think.
>>>
>>>If only C/C++ had some support for it natively, so you could split at a lower
>>>level rather than spawning large threads all the time. Fortran is great here,
>>>simple vector operations can be done in parallel.
>><snip>
>>
>>In the operating system it is done with threads or processes. Any abstraction
>>from that still returns back to it. Anything that can be done with abstraction
>>can always be done with lower-level constructs because abstraction is built upon
>>lower-level constructs.
>>
>>-Matt
>
>
>Actually matt i opted for duals because my intel 2.8 single was getting crushed
>by them. And they are required to hold 2900 + on the playchess server
>consistently. and for 3000 they are a neccessity. Don't pay much heed to the
>rating claims you hear here Matt. I have been on the playchess server for
>awhile. The singles may have a lucky run past 2900 but they don't stay there for
>long. The notion that double speed equals 20 elo is totally wrong from my
>observation. The highest dual is at 3111 and the highest single is lucky to be
>at 2900...and even at 2900 he wont be there long if he plays all challengers.


In fact if you place a dual 2400mp in a 100 game match with a single 2400xp with
equal ratings to start with the dual will be a whole lot higher than 20 above
the single when they are done.



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