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Subject: Re: Shredder 7 vs Fritz 8 (game in 2.5 hrs) games 20,21

Author: Chessfun

Date: 11:54:05 02/23/03

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On February 23, 2003 at 14:46:16, Chessfun wrote:

>On February 23, 2003 at 12:24:26, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>
>>On February 23, 2003 at 12:05:49, Chessfun wrote:
>>
>>>On February 23, 2003 at 11:31:36, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 23, 2003 at 11:03:42, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 23, 2003 at 10:34:55, bobby palacios wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>p4 2.47ghz, 128mb hash, remis.ctg (24 game match)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Fritz 8 vs Shredder 7  2003
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                123456789012345678901
>>>>>>1   Shredder 7  1½½1½½01001000111½½10 11.0/21
>>>>>>2   Fritz 8     0½½0½½10110111000½½01 10.0/21
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm sure if you were using the books these programs were supplied with you'd
>>>>>generate much more interest in this match.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>
>>>>    Hi Sarah
>>>>    I am rather happy that Bobby is not testing the opening books but more
>>>>    the real strenght of the programs. And what is it that you are guessing
>>>>    that the match would be more interesting with the original books? Because
>>>>    of book learning?
>>>>    Kurt
>>>
>>>Using remis.ctg as opposed to the original books don't tell me which is
>>>stronger. Neither would this match were original books used. It isn't more
>>>interesting. It's how they were designed to be played.
>>>
>>>Also I see many, many posts here using remis.ctg and 2600.ctg. IMO probably 50%
>>>of the time because those people don't actually own the programs. That's more
>>>the reason why people use these books, they are accepted as good and the excuse
>>>that the programs are then equal or we can see the true strength are simply that
>>>excuses for why the original books are not used.
>>>
>>>Sarah.
>>
>>    Never had I thought about this: the use of remis.ctg or 2600.ctg [what is
>>    this?]
>
>
>It's a ctg made from 2600+ ELO GM games.

You also posted a message http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?286353
in a post that included the use of 2600.ctg?


Sarah.


>
>
>>may indeed be because some people don't own the programs. This is
>>    however no longer possible since Shredder7.
>
>
>Why not?. I think you'll find you're wrong about that.
>
>
>>BTW, we shall soon start a
>>    120'/40 tournament [50-100 rounds] with the best six engines, and the
>>    strongest CM9_X, and this time we shall most probably use the original
>>    books.
>>    Kurt
>
>Yes this would be interesting. Say. Deep Fritz 7, Fritz 8, Fritz 7, Shredder 7
>and what else?. Tiger 15? I know it can't run in CB but you could autoplay it?.
>
>Sarah.



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