Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 02:59:35 02/24/03
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On February 23, 2003 at 20:29:49, Mike S. wrote: >On February 23, 2003 at 18:17:02, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>(...) >>2) Could someone tell me what feature, just 1 example because I don't know any, >>was at first created by amateurs? > >In the SCID freeware chess database, I noticed a couple of very intelligent >features which are probably new, or not inlcuded in commercial databases so far >(at least not in Fritz or in ChessBase 7.0 or in Chess Academy IIRC): > >- In a tournament crosstable, click on a result -> game is loaded You wo't believe it, that is what I oce expected in ChessBase and I clicked - without success of course. It's a self-understood conseqence so to speak. :) But let me thank you for the good response. That is exactly what I was waiting for. I simply never read something about the topic, but I might have missed it in a forum. >- *right*-click into the notation -> small board graphic pops up, > showing the position before that move That seems childish because when I seek for the chess of it I want the position AFTER the move, that is exactly what CB8 is doing. Or are you talking about text and not cbh? Ok, I give something for FREE! In 20 years I suppose we will have this: I click into a notatio and the prog gives me the position of the - - - the beginning of the combiation or whatever chain that led to the position I clicked on! WOW! That is a direct progress for the "intuitive" move generator coming from NIMZO/Donninger. I claim copyright for the idea! For the idea of the intuitive detection of the chain/line plus the explanation in a seperate window. Now that would be fun for a learning chessplayer! Oh God, it will be too late for me however. >- a kind of natural language display of the Nalimov tbs. information, > i.e. like "Ke7 only winning move, other moves draw" (or similar) > >(I'm sure there is more like that.) > >>3) I read that people adore FREE programs like ARENA. They are proud that ARENA >>has all the features, or almost all, ChessBase also has; I ask if ARENA is a >>clone of ChessBase8? > >No, it's a GUI mainly aimed at playing and engine matches. I've recently tried >version 0.921. Very impressive and recommendable. There aren't advanced database >features, but *very many* other comp chess features and configuration options. >The GUI has functions known from other good chess GUIs, but also new ideas have >been added, or improvements compared to other GUIs. Ok, I guess, no, I am sure that this will be imported into ChessBase very soon. So that the earlier "FOR FREE" activity will turn into pilot studying with the support by thousands of naive users who thought they would support a revolutionary new movement. Hehe <cynical mode>. But sfter Stefan Meyer-Kahlen went to ChessBase and sacced his program more or less swuch a development is no news aymore. > >It's good when programmers take a close look at other successful products first >(or constantly), to decide which features are useful and should be included in >their own software, too. Arena shows how useful that approach is, compared i.e. >to Chessmaster (a program which hardly ever took notice that other chess >software exists, with only the Tasc Base implementation and the - very good - >WinBoard support as the big exceptions). > >>5) Could someone show - perhaps for other fields - what results out of the so >>called copying of professional ideas and products? Isn't it the consequence >>that the professional creative people become exhausted? > >They certainly have to try harder to keep an advantage (for the money), but I >think they'll also take good ideas from the freeware sector, or include free >software (a major example are the Nalimov tablebases). So there's a flow of >ideas in both directions from which both sides benefit most probably. For sure I like Crafty in the Chessbase surrounding. Although I doubt that I get the Crafty as it was designed with learning/time management and stuff. Could you give a few notes? Please! Is there a difference between engines in CB8 and in FRITZ8? > >But commercial software also benefits from the simple fact that you can't buy >freeware in shops and it isn't advertised, IOW there probably is a - more or >less large - stock of customers who don't know or don't care for freeware, and >so commercial software remains the first (and only) choice. What is the so-called importance of the whole Internet for such a business? Just guess it. > >Which isn't too surprising, because beforhand I wouldn't expect such a good >quality, playing strength, GUI features etc. for free as it's available now in >computer chess. It is astonishing. > >>8) In short: I see the danger of less progress and NOT- what the supporters and >>fans are doing - a higher coloring of a scene. > >I don't think so... I expect that the companies just have to try harder, add >more professional advanced features etc., always try to improve usability etc. >For example - something which already exists - I don't think that a freeware >software producer, or even a group, could maintain the database quality of >ChessBase's game collections (in terms of completion, standardized player name >spelling, being up to date...). > >Regards, >M.Scheidl
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