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Subject: Re: An endgame position that your program may get wrong.

Author: Mike Byrne

Date: 22:12:20 02/24/03

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On February 24, 2003 at 09:59:12, Mike Hood wrote:

>On February 23, 2003 at 16:23:16, Mike Byrne wrote:
>
>>Ruffian , among others, like Shredder 7,  gets confused by this position,  It
>>thinks it's mate in 18 for black and plays Kxd7 -- which, unfortunately leads to
>>a Mate in 18 for BLACK!.  The problem here is that the EGTB does not recognizing
>>castling rights and the program is not examining them either.
>>
>>Proper play is Kd8 and black mates in 18
>>
>>[d] 2k5/3P4/8/8/8/8/1r5p/R3K3 b Q - 0 1
>>
>>Ruffian 1.0.1 analysis
>>
>>New game
>>2k5/3P4/8/8/8/8/1r5p/R3K3 b Q - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Ruffian 1.0.1:
>>
>>1. -+ (-#17): 1...Kxd7 2.0-0-0+ Ke6 3.Kxb2 Kf5
>>2. -+ (-#18): 1...Kd8 2.Ra8+ Kxd7
>>
>>(Byrne, Secane, PA USA 23.02.2003)
>>
>>Proper Analysis:
>>
>>
>>If black plays Kxd7, then it is mate for white in 18 with 0-0-0 as shown by
>>Fritz 8.
>>
>>
>>[d]8/3k4/8/8/8/8/1r5p/R3K3 w Q - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Fritz 8:
>>
>>1. +- (#18): 2.0-0-0+ Ke6 3.Kxb2 Ke5 4.Kc3
>>2. -+ (-#16): 2.Ra7+ Kc6 3.Rh7 h1Q+ 4.Rxh1 Rb1+
>>
>>(Byrne, Secane, PA USA 23.02.2003)
>
>Hey! Copyright infringement!
>
>It was me who devised this position, and I posted it in CCC on November 9th
>2001! (Topic: "Endgame Tablebase Problem without Castling")
>
>Oh well, it is a good position, but admittedly very unnatural. One of the
>parameters of Eugene's EGTBs is that there is no castling. This is a sensible
>limitation for 5-piece EGTBs, but by the time the first 20-piece EGTBs are
>generated Eugene might have to rewrite his code :)

Nice work - I thought it was a thing of beauty.  Now the question is - where I
did come across this position (and it wasn't here)?



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