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Subject: Re: Would faster time control counter the faster cpu speed

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 15:21:55 02/26/03

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On February 26, 2003 at 18:06:21, James T. Walker wrote:

>On February 26, 2003 at 16:56:54, John Wentworth2 wrote:
>
>>On February 26, 2003 at 16:28:41, James T. Walker wrote:
>>
>>>Just for fun I tried the Mephisto Risc (1MB) dedicated machine which was a world
>>>champion around 1991 against Fritz 8.  The Mephisto was playing at 40/2hours
>>>while Fritz 8 played at G/5min.  Some info: The Mephisto searches about 3-4K/nps
>>>and is currently rated about 2100 on the SSDF list.  When new it was considered
>>>to be rated much higher.  Not sure but I think Ed S. was the programmer.  Here
>>>are the 2 games.
>>>
>>>[Event "Blitz:5'"]
>>>[Site "?"]
>>>[Date "2003.02.26"]
>>>[Round "1"]
>>>[White "Mephisto (40/2hrs)"]
>>>[Black "Fritz 8"]
>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>[ECO "B63"]
>>>[PlyCount "92"]
>>>
>>>1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 d6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qd2 Be7 8.
>>>O-O-O O-O 9. Nb3 a6 10. h4 a5 11. Bxf6 Bxf6 12. Qxd6 Qxd6 13. Rxd6 a4 14. Na1
>>>Be5 15. Rd1 a3 16. Rh3 f5 17. exf5 Rxf5 18. bxa3 Rxf2 19. Kb2 Ra4 20. Nb3 Raf4
>>>21. Rh1 Ne7 22. Rd8+ Rf8 23. Rxf8+ Rxf8 24. Bc4 b5 25. Bxb5 Nd5 26. Rh3 Nxc3
>>>27. Rxc3 Bb7 28. Nc5 Bxg2 29. Kb3 Bd5+ 30. Rc4 Bd6 31. Nd3 Rf5 32. Nb4 Bxc4+
>>>33. Bxc4 Kf7 34. Nc6 Bg3 35. Nd8+ Kf6 36. Nxe6 Bxh4 37. Nd4 Re5 38. Bd3 Bf2 39.
>>>Nf3 Re7 40. Nd2 Be1 41. Ne4+ Ke5 42. Ng5 h5 43. Nf3+ Kf4 44. Nxe1 Rxe1 45. c4
>>>h4 46. Bg6 Resigns 0-1
>>>
>>>[Event "Blitz:5'"]
>>>[Site "?"]
>>>[Date "2003.02.26"]
>>>[Round "2"]
>>>[White "Fritz 8"]
>>>[Black "Mephisto (40/2hrs)"]
>>>[Result "1-0"]
>>>[ECO "B12"]
>>>[PlyCount "33"]
>>>
>>>1. d4 c6 2. e4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. Nf3 e6 5. Be2 c5 6. Be3 Qb6 7. Nc3 Qxb2 8. Nb5
>>>Na6 9. dxc5 Nb4 10. O-O Nxc2 11. Qd2 Rc8 12. Nxa7 Rc7 13. Qa5 Rd7 14. Bb5 Nxa1
>>>15. Bd4 Qxb5 16. Nxb5 Be7 Resigns 1-0
>>
>>
>>I wonder over a period of blitz games if the Mephisto would do better. The
>>reason I say this is because I recently played a 2' blitz match between Crafty
>>19.01 on a 1.2Ghz PC and Fritz 6 on an old 166Mhz PC. Fritz 6 on the slow
>>machine won by a large margin, something like 46.5 - 14.5 but when the time
>>control was longer, Crafty played much better.
>>
>>My point is that to have a faster time control to counter 1 machine being so
>>much faster. This theory may be totally flawed but since you gave such a longer
>>time to Mephisto, Fritz 8 just sat there and looked much further and anticipated
>>what the Mephisto would do. If the time control had been faster it wouldn't of
>>been able to look quite as far. Just a theory though
>
>Hello John,
>I was only doing this as a curiosity.  I was not trying to make them "equal".
>Many people here blast "Blitz" as not really chess and other remarks.  Point is
>nobody would have said that Mephisto Risc could not play real chess at 40/2 but
>it's not nearly as good as Fritz 8 on a XP2400+ at G/5min.

I think that Fritz8 also cannot play chess at 120/40 if you look from the point
of view of people in 2014.

Uri



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