Computer Chess Club Archives


Search

Terms

Messages

Subject: Re: Introducing "No-Moore's Law"

Author: Matt Taylor

Date: 08:46:24 02/28/03

Go up one level in this thread


On February 27, 2003 at 16:51:44, Jeremiah Penery wrote:

>On February 27, 2003 at 13:31:54, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On February 26, 2003 at 12:03:42, Steve J wrote:
>>
>>>>5.  I am also looking for some predictions/information about processor speed in
>>>>20-30 years from now.  For micro's Moore's law still holds.  So 21 years is 7
>>>>doublings of speed or 128 times as fast as today.
>>>
>>>
>>>   I've spent 25 years in manufacturing side of the semiconductor industry and
>>>would like to introduce what I call "No-Moore's Law".  It describes the physical
>>>limitations that silicon (or any other compound) will run out of gas and can be
>>>shrunk no more.  It also talks about some of the financial limitations of
>>>shrinking die.
>>>
>>
>>What you have written can't be true.  Because if you read this forum long
>>enough,
>>you realize that many are convinced that designing chips is a trial-and-error
>>process
>>where the engineers don't know anything at all about how fast a chip will run
>>until it
>>is produced and tested.  No ideas about the expected wafer defect rate.  Etc.
>
>Nobody ever said or implied anything of the kind.  You just seem to think that
>CPUs are produced as near that theoretical clock limit as possible, which is
>simply not true.
>
>>It was a
>>nice explanation of a known issue, but it can't be right because it implies that
>>the
>>engineers really know what they are doing, rather than relying on blind luck to
>>get something to work.
>>
>>Of course, all the engineers I personally know are repeating your story and they
>>are
>>sticking to it.  But they must all be mistaken.  After all engineering isn't a
>>true science,
>>it is based mostly on serendipity.
>
>Not that any of what you say here has anything to do with Moore's Law in the
>first place...
>
>Engineers can't predict the future.  They may be great at telling us the
>limitations of current technology, but they can't guess about the emergence of
>new technologies.  Many engineers thought the sound barrier was impossible to
>break, but that didn't make it true.  They've been saying for years that Moore's
>Law will fail.  Here we are today, with no indication of slowdown in the next
>few years.  There are many possible ways its usefulness can be extended past
>what many currently believe is possible.  Examples are finding a new
>manufacturing process that allows much smaller features to be created, finding a
>better material than silicon, etc.  It's possible that a completely new
>computing paradigm may become usable, rendering Moore's Law completely obsolete.
> Examples of this may be DNA and/or Quantum computing.

The newest Intel process is 90 nanometers. I remember them talking about ways to
hit 30 nanometers. They are -fast- approaching a width of 1 atom.

If you have read much about Quantum computing, it is useless for many
applications. Quantum computing is useful only for highly parallel problems.
Quantum computers run at rediculously low speeds right now -- a few Hz.
Aggressive estimates are viable quantum computers in about 20 years.

DNA computing is likewise a parallel paradigm and does not address -many-
problems.

-Matt



This page took 0.01 seconds to execute

Last modified: Thu, 07 Jul 11 08:48:38 -0700

Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.