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Subject: Re: Introducing "No-Moore's Law"

Author: Jeremiah Penery

Date: 19:29:27 03/02/03

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On March 02, 2003 at 10:22:07, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On March 02, 2003 at 02:39:08, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>
>>On March 01, 2003 at 20:17:14, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On March 01, 2003 at 11:48:50, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 01, 2003 at 10:11:13, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>Sun doesn't sell more than a single million-dollar computer a year.  They
>>
>>I couldn't find specific numbers on this, but I really doubt that.  How else
>>could they get to $5 billion in SPARC _server_ sales last year?  Do you have any
>>actual data you can give?  I'd be interested to see it.
>
>I'll look.  Several "trade journals" quote such market shares frequently, I'll
>see what I can dig up.

I already gave market shares.  You made a specific claim that Sun didn't sell
more than one multi-million dollar machine last year.  I want proof of that
claim.

>>>are hopeless in that market, because that is SGI Challenge territory and the
>>
>>I'd say SGI sells less big boxes than SPARC these days.  SGI is poised to have
>>_total_ revenue of only $1 billion in fiscal 2003.  That's counting the Itanium
>>machines they will begin selling soon.
>>
>>>SGI eats the sparc in any benchmark ever created...  As will the big
>>
>>Care to back that up with some actual data?  I can't find a single benchmark
>>where a MIPS chip is above the newest SPARC chips.  Nor can I find a MIPS-based
>>machine faster than any SPARC machine.
>
>I'm not sure where you are looking.  We just bought a batch of (I think) 900mhz
>ultra-sparcs (6).  They are 1/4 the raw computing speed of our best intel box
>and I am not talking about SMP, just raw CPU power.  I can post a crafty bench
>if you want to compare.  They are _dog_ slow.

Are you not talking about MIPS machines?  I already know the Intel processors
are a lot faster.

>>>itanium boxes.  Hell, even a multi-xeon will eat any sparc on a cpu for cpu
>>>basis without even using SMT.  :)
>>
>>I believe you there.  But as you pointed out before, processor speed doesn't
>>matter much in the server world.
>
>No, but when you start designing high-performance busses, multiple I/O channels,
>ultra-high memory bandwidth, it is likely that top-end processor chips will be
>used as well, particularly 64 bit...

Regardless of what you say, SPARC is selling a lot more than MIPS is in that
market segment.



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