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Subject: Re: First mate in 2, then mate in 3

Author: Ulrich Tuerke

Date: 08:26:27 03/03/03

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On March 03, 2003 at 11:21:02, Uri Blass wrote:

>On March 03, 2003 at 10:52:54, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:
>
>>On March 03, 2003 at 10:09:46, Albert Bertilsson wrote:
>>
>>>On March 03, 2003 at 09:43:24, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 03, 2003 at 09:13:36, Albert Bertilsson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hi!
>>>>>
>>>>>During a recent game my engine reported that a mate in 2 was found, then after
>>>>>the next opponent move it reported that a mate in 3 was found. Does this
>>>>>indicate a bug in the engine?
>>>>>
>>>>>If it matters the opponent didn't followed the PV that engine displayed mate in
>>>>>2. But after the mate in 3 was claimed the opponent followed the PV until its
>>>>>defeat.
>>>>>
>>>>>/Regards Albert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It could be
>>>>
>>>>(a) a bug in hashing, where you don't adjust the mate score before storing it,
>>>>or you
>>>>don't adjust it when you hit it in the table.
>>>>
>>>>(b) your extensions make it easier to find the mate in 3 than the mate in 2 and
>>>>you quit
>>>>too soon.
>>>I interpret your answer as this should not happen if the engine has no bugs and
>>>no extensions. Since Sharper doesn't have any extensions it would be (a) then...
>>>alhtough I can't see how this could happen.
>>
>>I think that this can happen without extensions, too.
>>
>>It's a consequence of alpha-beta. Often some move of ply n+1 already suffices to
>>refute the preceeding move of ply n, instead of the checking move leading to the
>>mate. It's rather a matter of move ordering.
>>
>>It may for instance help a bit in some cases to prefer checking moves when
>>ordering moves.
>>
>>Uli
>
>I do not see how it is possible.
>
>The first mate was mate in 2 and it means that in the next position there is a
>mate in 1.
>
>A program should never miss mate in 1 and prefer mate in 3.
>The move that delivers the mate is supposed to cause an immediate cutoff.

May be another one comes earlier and causes a cutoff. Then you'll miss the mate.

Uli
>
>Uri



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