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Subject: Re: Sharing my chess ignorance! A little test for novices like me.[pic]

Author: John Merlino

Date: 16:55:32 03/03/03

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On March 03, 2003 at 18:58:23, Uri Blass wrote:

>On March 03, 2003 at 18:06:09, Matthew White wrote:
>
>>On March 03, 2003 at 17:02:36, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>On March 03, 2003 at 16:42:05, Albert Bertilsson wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi!
>>>>
>>>>Warning! This is probably very easy for most of you with an intrest in chess,
>>>>for anybody like me (intrested in programming, bad chess player) it could be
>>>>something to think about though...
>>>>
>>>>Sharper put itself in this position:
>>>>
>>>[d]2k4r/2p5/6RB/4qp1Q/7P/P3P3/3r3P/R5K1 w - -
>>>>
>>>>With little time to think it made the bad move Qf5. Giving a second more it
>>>>found Qf3. Since I could not believe that Sharper would lose that game (the 20
>>>>latest moves it had a quite nice advantage I simply couldn't understand what
>>>>happened. Then I gave the position to crafty and saw how bad it thought the
>>>>position was. After looking at it very carefully I also understood what the
>>>>catch was.
>>>>
>>>>Can you see it too?
>>>>
>>>>/Regards Albert
>>Just by looking at the position, it appears to me that Qxf5+ leads to rapid
>>mate, since the black rook on the second rank traps the king.
>>
>>Matt
>
>The question is what is the reason to play Qxf5+ and the answer is that the
>queen is lost in any case.
>
>I guess that the point is that weak players may miss Qxa1+ at first
>looking(after seeing it the rest including winning the queen is easy to see).
>I admit that I also missed it in the first seconds because I look at Qf3 Qxh2+
>and my Israeli rating for tournament time control(eqvivalent to fide rating)
>should be 2030 if I do not play more games.
>
>I did not use a clock to find time but I guess that it took me something like 30
>seconds to see Qxa1+ because in the first seconds I analyzed Qxh2+ and saw
>nothing good for black.
>
>The point is that for humans it is rleatively hard to see long moves.
>
>Maybe it is easier to see it when you see that the last move is Qe5 because if
>you see the move than you ask yourself what is the threat of the piece that
>moved
>
>Uri

As it turns out, there is not TOO much difference between the two moves.
According to Chessmaster 9000, Qxf5+ is a Mate in 7 for Black, and Qf3 is a Mate
in at most 13 for Black.

Might as well grab the pawn! :-)

jm



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